point discrepancy

[mjbofficial]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

What is a Two Signal?

If it's close, I'll point to the table with 2 fingers.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally Posted by mjbofficial

If it's close, I'll point to the table with 2 fingers.

That might be the source of the coach's confusion. That is not an NFHS mechanic and not everyone does it. Here anyway. We were warned in a clinic to try and avoid it.

If you must, or choose to signal two's, do it discreetly after traveling down court and not right at the point the bll is released.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

That might be the source of the coach's confusion. That is not an NFHS mechanic and not everyone does it. Here anyway. We were warned in a clinic to try and avoid it.

If you must, or choose to signal two's, do it discreetly after traveling down court and not right at the point the bll is released.

NFHS Annual bulletin put out in 2005 says to blow your whistle and signal "2" to the scorer's table.

[BillyMac]

I'm not sure that this situation falls under the time frame guidelines of the correctable error. It may be a clerical error situation, which can be corrected until the officials leave the confines of the gymnasium at the end of the game.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ref Daddy

That might be the source of the coach's confusion. That is not an NFHS mechanic and not everyone does it. Here anyway. We were warned in a clinic to try and avoid it.

If you must, or choose to signal two's, do it discreetly after traveling down court and not right at the point the bll is released.

I thought that the covering official was to indicate two points when there was doubt as to whether the try was a two or a three. I don't recall where I read this, perhaps in the Officials Manual. Someone will come along and post the reference, if it exists.

Otherwise, my only comment in this thread is that Rut is correct. This is a correctable error situation. It is for erroneously counting or cancelling a score. There are even case book plays which say so.


2.10.1 SITUATION F: A1 attempts a goal from behind the three-point line: (a) but the covering official fails to give the successful signal after the ball goes through the basket, and the scorer records only two points; or (b) and the covering official gives the successful signal, but the scorer records only two points. Team B inbounds the ball and proceeds to score. The coach of Team A goes to the table and requests a 60-second time-out to discuss the error. RULING: In (a), the error of not awarding three points is correctable as it was detected prior to the second live ball after the error. The extra point is scored, the 60-second time-out is not charged and the game continues from the point of interruption. In (b), it is a mistake by the scorer which can be corrected any time until the final score has been approved.

2.10.1 SITUATION G: A1 jumps and releases a try for goal apparently from behind the three-point line. The try is successful. The covering official does not indicate a three-point try and does not signal three points after the goal. The Team A coach rushes to the table and requests a 60-second time-out to discuss a correctable error. It is determined neither official clearly observed A1's location before he/she jumped to try. RULING: No change can be made and two points are properly scored. The 60-second time-out remains charged to Team A. (5-8-4)

[mplagrow]

I don't think this is a matter of whether it's correctable or not. I think the issue is that there's no direct knowledge whether it's a 3 or a 2. In that case, go with what's called and play on.

[JRutledge]

It does matter if this is correctable or not. Remember, the officials signaled what the points were. This was not like the table just put something down without any verification. The coach was questioning because they can see much better than the officials who are standing next to the play. So if you signaled a 3 point shot and you did not change it immediately, you have a time frame in which to change it or it is too late. It would be no different if you had a shooting foul and you count a basket that did not go in. You cannot go back after several minutes when the ball has been dead, alive, dead, and alive again and change the score. This is why we talk a lot about changing a dispute over a 3 or a 2 immediately. Now if the score keeper put up a 2 when you clearly signaled a 3, that can be changed at anytime.

Peace

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

It does matter if this is correctable or not. Remember, the officials signaled what the points were. This was not like the table just put something down without any verification. The coach was questioning because they can see much better than the officials who are standing next to the play. So if you signaled a 3 point shot and you did not change it immediately, you have a time frame in which to change it or it is too late. It would be no different if you had a shooting foul and you count a basket that did not go in. You cannot go back after several minutes when the ball has been dead, alive, dead, and alive again and change the score. This is why we talk a lot about changing a dispute over a 3 or a 2 immediately. Now if the score keeper put up a 2 when you clearly signaled a 3, that can be changed at anytime.

Peace

I think you missed my point. I understand that it can be too late to change it even if you're sure you know what happened. My point is, let's say it's still correctable. Is there any way you can justly change it from a 3 to a 2 when you signalled 3 and your partner has no recollection of the play?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

I think you missed my point. I understand that it can be too late to change it even if you're sure you know what happened. My point is, let's say it's still correctable. Is there any way you can justly change it from a 3 to a 2 when you signalled 3 and your partner has no recollection of the play?

If you have definite knowledge of course you can make a change. But you have to have definite knowledge. Remember the coach is the one complaining, it is not like anyone saw anything. I think you missed my point, this falls under the correctable error rule and this situation has to be corrected in a certain time frame. If it is not corrected, it is too late and you have to live with it. It is never a bookkeeping mistake when the officials screw up on awarding or not awarding points properly.

Peace