Intentional Fouls?

[NathanRT]

In the same game I mentioned above, I had another intentional foul with about a minute left. Just after B1 passed the ball to a team mate, A1 grabbed him around the waist and hauled him down. After the game my partner said that I should have just called a regular foul as it was good "game management." He claimed that since the other team was trying to foul (which I disagreed with as they didn't foul again and were down 10 with about a minute left) I shouldn't call the intentional. Anyone else think it's a good idea to overlook something like that just because you thought a team was trying to foul? I think there was a POE about this a couple of years ago...

[mplagrow]

Originally Posted by NathanRT

In the same game I mentioned above, I had another intentional foul with about a minute left. Just after B1 passed the ball to a team mate, A1 grabbed him around the waist and hauled him down. After the game my partner said that I should have just called a regular foul as it was good "game management." He claimed that since the other team was trying to foul (which I disagreed with as they didn't foul again and were down 10 with about a minute left) I shouldn't call the intentional. Anyone else think it's a good idea to overlook something like that just because you thought a team was trying to foul? I think there was a POE about this a couple of years ago...

"Grabbed and hauled" sounds pretty close to flagrant to me.

[NathanRT]

Originally Posted by mplagrow

"Grabbed and hauled" sounds pretty close to flagrant to me.

I thought about it for a second. It wasn't really as violent as it sounded. I think the offensive player caught himself and let up before really dragging him all the way down.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by NathanRT

In the same game I mentioned above, I had another intentional foul with about a minute left. Just after B1 passed the ball to a team mate, A1 grabbed him around the waist and hauled him down. After the game my partner said that I should have just called a regular foul as it was good "game management."

Sigh. It's either "good game management" or it's because it's a game interrupter. They'll find any reason not to make the right call.

I'm surprised that he didn't recommend that you use a stop sign first.

A defender grabbed a player without the ball around the waist and hauled him down? With a minute left? Good call, Nathan.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by NathanRT

In the same game I mentioned above, I had another intentional foul with about a minute left. Just after B1 passed the ball to a team mate, A1 grabbed him around the waist and hauled him down. After the game my partner said that I should have just called a regular foul as it was good "game management." He claimed that since the other team was trying to foul (which I disagreed with as they didn't foul again and were down 10 with about a minute left) I shouldn't call the intentional. Anyone else think it's a good idea to overlook something like that just because you thought a team was trying to foul? I think there was a POE about this a couple of years ago...

Great call, Nathan! Keep up the good work.

Evidently your partner missed all of the recent POEs on this.

From the 2006-07 POE:
Far too often, officials do not call fouls as intentional when the act clearly meets the criteria.
From the 2005-06 POE:
Anytime in the game. Acts that neutralize an opponent's obvious advantageous position and must be deemed intentional include:
• Excessive contact on any player attempting a shot
• Grabbing or shoving a player from behind when an easy basket may be scored
• Grabbing and holding a player from behind or away from the ball
These are "non-basketball" plays and must be considered intentional fouls anytime they occur during a game.
...
With that, officials must have the courage to enforce the intentional foul rule. Far too often, officials do not whistle fouls as intentional when the act clearly meets the criteria. Officiating philosophies should not change because of the time remaining in the game or the score differential. The correct call should be made – not the popular one.


From the 2003-04 POE:
When a player fouls and the opponent is clearly not playing the ball, an intentional foul must be called.

[Nevadaref]

Did anyone see the jersey grab from behind by Colin Falls of Notre Dame against West Virginia?

I was disappointed that the official did not call an intentional foul. I believe that this is the third example of this that I have seen so far this season in an NCAA game. I recall one in a Georgetown game earlier. I can't pinpoint the other.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a memo from the NCAA addressing this in the near future.

[Ignats75]

Girls JV game. Less than a minute left. Team B down by 2. Team A bringing the ball across midcourt when B1 chest bumps A1 out of bounds instead of going for the ball.

I immediately called an Intentional Foul. My partner(?) (15 yr experience know-it-all) questioned why I would've made it intentional. I've been an official for 4 years and I am continually amazed by the attitudes of some of the old timers.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by Ignats75

Girls JV game. Less than a minute left. Team B down by 2. Team A bringing the ball across midcourt when B1 chest bumps A1 out of bounds instead of going for the ball.

I immediately called an Intentional Foul. My partner(?) (15 yr experience know-it-all) questioned why I would've made it intentional. I've been an official for 4 years and I am continually amazed by the attitudes of some of the old timers.

I wasn't there, but as I envision the play in my mind's eye I'd ask the same question. Are you sure B1 wasn't trying to draw a charge knowing that the worst that would happen would be a foul and a stopped clock?

[Ignats75]

Nope. To draw a charge would've required her to try and stop in a semblance of LGP. When she made contact, with her chest, it was on the girl's shoulder. Not even close. The football coach in the stands probably wanted to use the film to demonstrate how to go THROUGH the opponent.