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Old Wed Jan 10, 2007, 07:21pm
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Why? Coaches should know immediately if free throws are going to be shot and the fans will figure it out soon. I don't like using it in NCAA women's either.

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I completely disagree. You know how many times I had to explain to a coach we were not shooting FTs and the table after a team control foul. I would even say team control foul at the table and still people would insist we should shoot FTs. The signal takes away the doubt of what kind of foul you have. And if you are signaling at the table and at the spot of the foul then everyone is clear what kind of foul you called.

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Old Wed Jan 10, 2007, 10:30pm
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I don't like the signal, so I just stopped calling team control fouls.
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I just want to know what everyone thinks about the "team control" signal NFHS added this year. It's the same signal as a lane violation, but what is your take on it?
Love it! I first started out trying to get into Women College Basketball and they do it.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 11:18am
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In Ohio, we were mandated to use a different signal than "the punch". The OHSAA required us to use the PLAYER CONTROL signal instead of the punch. We are allowed to use a secondary signal with the preliminary signal (block, push whatever), but just the hand behind the head at the table.

The only good thing about it is that the table and everyone understands that there are no free throws.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 12:48pm
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Hasn't been a problem at all....this is how our SRI wants it done and it works really well.

Preliminary signals at point of foul:
Whistle & raised fist
Team Control signal straight out in front
Type of foul (block, hold, push, etc.)
Point to inbound location.

Reporting to the table:
Report color & number of player that committed foul
Team control signal, fist straight out in front
Indicate color & point direction ball is going.

I also verbalize everything while giving the signals, which really helps....and not just in team control situations!

Examples while giving signals above:
Initial Report - Team control, white 23, block, blue ball

Report to table - White foul, #23, team control, blue ball

I also use different voice levels for each - normal speaking volume for initial so players concerned know what's going on, louder & slower for report to table so anyone paying attention will know what the call is.

That is exactly how we were instructed to handle it here in NC as well.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 01:11pm
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Love it! I first started out trying to get into Women College Basketball and they do it.
I thought that was Women's College Dorm rooms!
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 03:05pm
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Hasn't been a problem at all....this is how our SRI wants it done and it works really well.

Preliminary signals at point of foul:
Whistle & raised fist
Team Control signal straight out in front
Type of foul (block, hold, push, etc.)
Point to inbound location and point direction.

Reporting to the table:
Report color & number of player that committed foul
Team control signal, fist straight out in front
Indicate color & point direction ball is going.

I also verbalize everything while giving the signals, which really helps....and not just in team control situations!

Examples while giving signals above:
Initial Report - Team control, white 23, block, blue ball

Report to table - White foul, #23, team control, blue ball

I also use different voice levels for each - normal speaking volume for initial so players concerned know what's going on, louder & slower for report to table so anyone paying attention will know what the call is.
Now that I think about it I almost always point to the inbound spot and then point the proper direction for my team control fouls (see above added bold text). To me the punch is not a point. The point is a separate signal, direction signals are not made with a closed fist so the direction of the punch is irrevelant. Point is fingers extended, thumb tucked. IMO.

For some reason I had a lot of these early in the season (adjustment from football to basketball). I was also told by one of my partners I verbalize a "Boom!" when I give my team control punch. I knew I was thinking Boom, did not realize I was saying it, too.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 03:32pm
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I was also told by one of my partners I verbalize a "Boom!" when I give my team control punch. I knew I was thinking Boom, did not realize I was saying it, too.
LOL - That's priceless. That would be pretty funny to see across the court.
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Old Thu Jan 11, 2007, 03:42pm
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I completely disagree. You know how many times I had to explain to a coach we were not shooting FTs and the table after a team control foul. I would even say team control foul at the table and still people would insist we should shoot FTs. The signal takes away the doubt of what kind of foul you have. And if you are signaling at the table and at the spot of the foul then everyone is clear what kind of foul you called.

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I only heard a couple things last year early in the season. But, through about 20 varsity games this season and 5 college womens games, I haven't had a coach or scorekeeper question the free throw situation. I still hear a couple fans yell "bonus" but the signal wouldn't help them anyways.

JMO though!
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