Long Toss Mechanics?

[johnnyrao]

Team A leads 72-71 with 2 seconds remaining. B has a throw-in under their own basket. They throw a long pass to the opposite end of the court. Other than the thrower, the other nine players are all at the opposite end of the court so you know a long pass is coming. It is very tough to see if the ball is touched or not. It goes out of bounds. The Lead official (along Team B's baseline) did a chopping motion when the ball appeared to touch a Team B player on the long pass. The clock runs out and the officials call the game over and leave the floor. I have never been in this situation but it could happen in any game. How do you handle this? Who chops the clock in? Do you let the lead do it since he has the best vantage point of the long pass? Or does the lead have some signal to the trail at the other end of the court to let him know the ball was tipped and the clock should start? Lastly, if this happens and the clock starts and runs out, would you leave the court immediately or do you come together and discuss this as a crew? I did see the lead official after the game and he said that B1 definitely touched the ball on the long pass so the clock was properly started. I am just wondering if anyone know how this should be handled mechanically. Or, do we leave it to the clock operator (who already made couple of errors)?

[Nevadaref]

1. If the inbounder is not being pressured as in your situation, then the Trail can stand way up by the 28' mark in the backcourt or perhaps even near the division line and bounce the ball to the thrower. This will give him a better view of the nine players in the frontcourt. Chances are that the thrower putting a toe on the line isn't going to be called anyway. So there really isn't any action in the backcourt to observe. Just make sure the the thrower doesn't commit an OBVIOUS violation.

2. The Trail should retain the chop responsibility, since that is what the timer is going to expect. You could instruct that person differently during the prior stoppage though. This is where the 3-person system really has an edge over 2-person. You have a Center official to help with these full court plays.

3. I would hope that the officials would communicate if the ball was NOT touched and the game shouldn't be over. I would definitely want the Lead to come and bring this information to me, if I were the Trail. We have definite knowledge of what the clock should show in this case and it is an easy fix.

[johnnyrao]

The one thinh I didn't do was look at the trail to see if he chopped the clock or not. I was at the frontcourt end so the trail may have properly chopped it.

[tomegun]

What the...? This is Johnny's first post

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

I have never been in this situation but it could happen in any game.

And this is his second post.

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

The one thinh I didn't do was look at the trail to see if he chopped the clock or not. I was at the frontcourt end so the trail may have properly chopped it.

Either I'm reading this wrong - which is possible - or someone's credibility just went down.

[Adam]

Tomegun, methinks he was watching the game rather than officiating it. He was watching the lead but not the trail as a spectator.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Tomegun, methinks he was watching the game rather than officiating it. He was watching the lead but not the trail as a spectator.

I hope that is what happened.

[johnnyrao]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Tomegun, methinks he was watching the game rather than officiating it. He was watching the lead but not the trail as a spectator.

Affirmative.

[tomegun]

Besides this whole, "I had a friend who..." crap, I think you should stay in your normal position and watch the inbounder. Truste your partner(s) to help you down the court. Yes, there are advantages to getting up the court quickly. However, if you are trail opposite the table and the other coach, or an assistant, sees the inbounder clearly step in bounds then what? Most of the time nothing will happen (I'm assuming because I have NOT been in a funky situation like this) but there are many things that could happen.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

1. If the inbounder is not being pressured as in your situation, then the Trail can stand way up by the 28' mark in the backcourt or perhaps even near the division line and bounce the ball to the thrower. This will give him a better view of the nine players in the frontcourt. Chances are that the thrower putting a toe on the line isn't going to be called anyway. So there really isn't any action in the backcourt to observe. Just make sure the the thrower doesn't commit an OBVIOUS violation.

2. The Trail should retain the chop responsibility, since that is what the timer is going to expect. You could instruct that person differently during the prior stoppage though. This is where the 3-person system really has an edge over 2-person. You have a Center official to help with these full court plays.

3. I would hope that the officials would communicate if the ball was NOT touched and the game shouldn't be over. I would definitely want the Lead to come and bring this information to me, if I were the Trail. We have definite knowledge of what the clock should show in this case and it is an easy fix.

I really wouldn't recommend #1. I wouldn't want to try calling that violation from the 28' line. And it is something we'd need to be aware of, especially in this situation.

Yeah, hire 3

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Chances are that the thrower putting a toe on the line isn't going to be called anyway.

Gee, I would certainly hope that it wouldn't be called. The thrower putting a toe(or even a shoelace) on the line is not a violation. Really. Ol' JR wouldn't lie to you, Nevada. But......putting a toe over the line is a violation. It's true, it's true....

Do you need a rules citation for that?

Always glad to help......

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Gee, I would certainly hope that it wouldn't be called. The thrower putting a toe(or even a shoelace) on the line is not a violation. Really. Ol' JR wouldn't lie to you, Nevada. But......putting a toe over the line is a violation. It's true, it's true....

Do you need a rules citation for that?

Always glad to help......

He got you on that one Nevada. Tell Tony and Justin you blew a rule.

[Nevadaref]

Yep, he's right. Better watch what I type with him around. I owe beers.

PS I work with TR on Wednesday.

PPS Just saw your new tag line. Made me laugh out loud!

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

PPS Just saw your new tag line. Made me laugh out loud!

Yeah, you know I always give a stop sign.

[Adam]

Stand at the free throw line and administer the throwin. When the pass is released, sprint down court to get into position.