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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 09:50am
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You're changing the case. In the OP, the official who granted the TO blew his whistle first. Even by your standard the TO occurs before the violation.

Your case is harder, but the TO was still granted before the violation occurred.
Read the OP again. Violation whistle was first.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 09:59am
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Read the OP again. Violation whistle was first.
Oops. Quite right. Well, ignore the easy case I mistakenly brought up.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 10:47am
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If the whistle for the violation is clearly first, you have no choice but to move on. By the same token, if the TO whistle was first, grant the TO. If there's any doubt, sprint over to your partner and decide what the two of you have.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 10:51am
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If the whistle for the violation is clearly first, you have no choice but to move on. By the same token, if the TO whistle was first, grant the TO. If there's any doubt, sprint over to your partner and decide what the two of you have.
Sorry, no. The whistle has nothing to do with whether a timeout is granted or not.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 10:59am
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The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 11:05am
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The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.
How so if the offense made a legitimate and legal timeout request?
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 12:18pm
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1) Rich - quit watching your partner's count and counting with him - pay attention to the holding goiing on in the corner.

2) You have to talk this over with your partner, before you do anything else, If you go to your partner and say I had a coaches request for time out before you blew the violation - then it is up to your partner to decide what to do.
you are not going to make someone happy but get the call right.

3) You are not bailing out the offence in this situation - yes the defense did a fine job but only for 4.5 seconds when the time out was called legitimately by the coach of the offense. That is a reward to the defence also they forced the coach to burn a time out.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 01:05pm
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The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.
Teams get 5 timeouts. If they burn one over one possession, it is a pretty good tradeoff for the defense. And they can play good defense again.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 01:16pm
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The reason it is a big deal is that the other team has been playing great defense and you just bailed out the offense.
When they make a rule that says the coach can't request TO during a count, then I'll concern myself with your issue.

Until then, the coach has a perfectly legal right to burn a TO if he so chooses. And if he does it before my partner reaches the end of his count, then he's the one who has made a great play.

Like it or not, that is the rule.
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Old Thu Dec 28, 2006, 10:59am
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If there's any doubt, sprint over to your partner and decide what the two of you have.
That's the key right there. If there's any doubt, you have to decide between yourselves what happened first-- the violation or the time-out request.

Whatever you decide is fine with me.
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