Kill Throw-in

[Scrapper1]

You're in a tough spot because the ball became live. If you still had doubt about how many players were on the court, you should've whistled before the ball became live; or at least put up your hands for one of your partners to see.

I had the same thing happen during a free throw last week. I had my hand up, but my partner bounced the ball to the free thrower anyway. I blew the whistle and stopped the free throw. In that case, I think I can reasonably say that the ball never became live because I kept my hand up, even if my partner didn't see it.

In your case it's tougher because it's tough to see how you could say the ball wasn't live. I think you did the fair thing, but I don't know if it was the right thing by rule.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapy

In your case it's tougher because it's tough to see how you could say the ball wasn't live. I think you did the fair thing, but I don't know if it was the right thing by rule.

Sometimes fair is better than right, Scrapy.

The C needs his knuckles rapped on this one. And maybe the T too. Everybody shoulda been counting. But, as in the immortal words of Anne Boleyn- "Shiznit happens!"

Of course, if the whistle hadn't blown before the throw-in was caught, it's a different situation. Can't really fix that one.

[Official99]

Remember too that it is part of our responsibility as officials to ensure that there are the correct number of players. The reason the T is in the book in this case is in the event a player wasn't beckoned onto the court and came on anyway.

I was always taught that it is the responsibility of the officials to ensure no team has an advantage or disadvantage (within the rules) of more than 5 players or less than 5 players.

I think you handled it correctly and the coach is going to have to live with the decision.

[emtp]

You did the right thing, another thing to tell the coach who wanted the T is that you would have done the same for his team. This might be redundent but to mention this in pregame that when lots of subs are coming in that all 3 officials count the players.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Official99

Remember too that it is part of our responsibility as officials to ensure that there are the correct number of players. The reason the T is in the book in this case is in the event a player wasn't beckoned onto the court and came on anyway.

Wrong. There is a T in the book for this play (subs coming in during play). It's for a sub entering unbeckoned.

Originally Posted by Official99

I was always taught that it is the responsibility of the officials to ensure no team has an advantage or disadvantage (within the rules) of more than 5 players or less than 5 players.

I think you handled it correctly and the coach is going to have to live with the decision.

This is not our responsibility. The T is there because it's the coaches' responsibility. As a courtesy, we will try to hold the ball up to allow subs to enter and depart as required.

[Official99]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Wrong. There is a T in the book for this play (subs coming in during play). It's for a sub entering unbeckoned.

Isn't that what I said?

I never mentioned during play or not during play... all I mentioned was there is a T for subs coming in unbeckoned....

[Adam]

They can't call a T for a sub unbeckoned on the OP, though. The subs were beckoned. I thought you were saying the T for 6 players is in the book so we can address an unbeckoned sub. The unbeckoned sub isn't relevant to the OP, though. I'm just confused why it was mentioned in this context.