Over-rule your partner?

[deecee]

on the part about partners calling out of primary and court coverage snafus after we pre-game who covers what in the gray zone and what happens on contact in the gray zone I still get a lot of guys calling through the lane and fouls that occur after the play has turned away from them and they get straight lined when their partner is the only one with a clear look at any contact.

When I mention any of this I can tell that most of them dont give a rats azz to listen to me because most of the time I am at least 10-15 years their junior. It takes a lot for me to get frustrated and one thing that gets me is erors that happen after we plan on what to do in those exact situation and then after the first screw up and I go over with them "Hey partner please hold your whistle for a second on those calls through the lane -- and unless you have a felony trust me to make that call" what do I get -- more calls through the lane -- and most of the time they are on plays that has the ball handler going away from the basket or towards the endline not the paint.

[btaylor64]

Man it is crazy to see how much regular season ball is being called with 2-man crews. I could never imagine doing a 2-man game in regular season basketball although the money would be nicer.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Man it is crazy to see how much regular season ball is being called with 2-man crews. I could never imagine doing a 2-man game in regular season basketball although the money would be nicer.

It's not like we're given a choice. Oregon isn't even considering 3-man from what I've heard. I don't know if it's a cost issue, but if it is I can understand it. The public school system has plenty of money issues already - spending it on 3-man officiating crews is pretty silly when they can't even buy enough textbooks.

[deecee]

southern california (at least south orange county is)is proposing 3 man for all league varisty contests starting next year. And highly reccommending 3man for all varsity contests not just league games.

Pay difference between 3 and 2 man isnt that huge but if anyone here is doing HS ball for the money I would suggest a good exit strategy.

[JRutledge]

The only reason I officiate might not have anything to do with the money, but I am not doing it for free either. Those checks add up and that money can and will be used for things I would like to use it for.

Peace

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Smitty

It's not like we're given a choice. Oregon isn't even considering 3-man from what I've heard. I don't know if it's a cost issue, but if it is I can understand it. The public school system has plenty of money issues already - spending it on 3-man officiating crews is pretty silly when they can't even buy enough textbooks.

In most gyms I've been in, admissions and snack sales make it a zero sum game. The extra official is covered by those revenue sources, not a bigger slice out of the budget.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

In most gyms I've been in, admissions and snack sales make it a zero sum game. The extra official is covered by those revenue sources, not a bigger slice out of the budget.

Concession stand sales increase by enought to have a profit of $53 (or whatever the official's fee is) just because there's a third official on the floor?

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

Concession stand sales increase by enought to have a profit of $53 (or whatever the official's fee is) just because there's a third official on the floor?

Not what I meant. Admissions and concessions raise enough funds to pay all officials so it is not a matter of a budgeting decision. In most gyms.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Not what I meant. Admissions and concessions raise enough funds to pay all officials so it is not a matter of a budgeting decision. In most gyms.

But if they don't have to pay the third official, they'll still raise the same amount of funds and have $53 x 12 home games "extra" in the budget.

It's a budget issue for someone. Whether it's worth the extra $ is a different issue.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by deecee

When I mention any of this I can tell that most of them dont give a rats azz to listen to me because most of the time I am at least 10-15 years their junior. It takes a lot for me to get frustrated and one thing that gets me is erors that happen after we plan on what to do in those exact situation and then after the first screw up and I go over with them "Hey partner please hold your whistle for a second on those calls through the lane -- and unless you have a felony trust me to make that call" what do I get -- more calls through the lane -- and most of the time they are on plays that has the ball handler going away from the basket or towards the endline not the paint.

I would keep talking to them. If it isn't a foul I would certainly tell them and when they act like they don't care I would add the fact that they couldn't see the play and it wasn't a foul. If it is a foul I would come with a late whistle and not even look at them on the way to the table. I would tell them later that I didn't look at them because it wasn't their call and they shouldn't have had a whistle anyway. This doesn't happen a lot because most officials want to do the right thing the right way, but when it does I would deal with it.