Coach's idiotic perception of officiating

[zebraman]

On my way out of the gym last night after a varsity game, I ran into the coach of the freshman team. After a couple of quick comments, he says, "boy, I sure hate 3-person."

I said, "really, we officials love 3-person. We get better looks at calls and we get off-ball stuff that used to get missed."

Then he says, "yeah, but part of coaching is getting away with as much as you can."

I just said, "OK coach, gotta go." What a marooooooon!!!!!!

[truerookie]

WOW! thats funny.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by truerookie

WOW! thats funny.

But not surprising...unfortunately that's the attitude that is out there. As a football coach, I was chewing out one of my players on the sideline for a very illegal (and dangerous) chop block from behind (he happens to be my son) and one of the parents who was close by said "It's not a foul if the ref doesn't call it"...to which I responded, "Tell that to the kid who just had to be helped off the field". That attitude really makes me sick to my stomache.

[bronco]

As a coach, I hate that attitude. Back when I started college, I told my dad once that I wanted to coach college basketball. He said that he didn't think I would, because winning wasn't the most important thing to me. That kind of attitude, do what you can get away with, is a horrible thing to be teaching young people. JMO, but I am 100% right on this.

[REFVA]

The funny thing about it is that it's not only the coaches , AD, Parents and fans. I started another thread about ejecting a parent who threw an item at the official becuase he didn't like the call. I gather my partners and had the person excorted out. Two days later My assignor sent me an email saying that they don't want me at that gym anymore this year. How funny is that. The AD then later expalined who he was. I told him I didn't check for ID's as to who attends the game. All who act that way is dangerous not only to officials but players as well. The mentality out there is so out of whack..

[truerookie]

Please do not get me wrong. I took the stance that it was funny that a coach would even bring this up to an official who he or she may see again in the very near future. I am fully aware that coaches try to get away with as much as possible without being caught.

[TriggerMN]

Originally Posted by zebraman

On my way out of the gym last night after a varsity game, I ran into the coach of the freshman team. After a couple of quick comments, he says, "boy, I sure hate 3-person."

I said, "really, we officials love 3-person. We get better looks at calls and we get off-ball stuff that used to get missed."

Then he says, "yeah, but part of coaching is getting away with as much as you can."

I just said, "OK coach, gotta go." What a marooooooon!!!!!!

Are all coaches a shade of red in your area??

[HawkeyeCubP]

This is heresay, but I've heard from multiple veteran officials that in my area, there are schools in the more competitive leagues (don't know if it's coaches, athletic directors, parents, etc., or some combination thereof) that push against 3-person crews being assigned to their varsity games when the officials' association contracts are arranged and negotiated - and not because of the money. Sad commentary, if it's true.

[Huntin' Ref]

I can understand why many coaches don't like 3 officials in many circumstances. Personally, I have officiated almost exclusively 3 whistle coverage the past 5 seasons (HS and College). Many officials "think" they know the coverage when they really don't. One of our observers taped several HS games in our area and there were 3 sets of eyes "on ball" for most of the game. People that don't do it enough, tend to follow the ball far to long IMHO.

For example, last night I worked a game with 2 veteran officials and after the game the losing (home team) coach came in and talked to us. In the 3 years his conference has had 3 officials, he had never seen so many off ball calls. He mentioned that his players are bad about grabbing jerseys, pushing through screens, etc... He also said he hasn't addressed it in practice because it doesn't get seen in games usually. ~ I'm not saying we are that good or had a perfect game, but the coaches are learning exactly what we are supposed to be looking at and what we aren't supposed to be looking at.

[Kevzebra]

Originally Posted by Huntin' Ref

I can understand why many coaches don't like 3 officials in many circumstances. Personally, I have officiated almost exclusively 3 whistle coverage the past 5 seasons (HS and College). Many officials "think" they know the coverage when they really don't. One of our observers taped several HS games in our area and there were 3 sets of eyes "on ball" for most of the game. People that don't do it enough, tend to follow the ball far to long IMHO.

For example, last night I worked a game with 2 veteran officials and after the game the losing (home team) coach came in and talked to us. In the 3 years his conference has had 3 officials, he had never seen so many off ball calls. He mentioned that his players are bad about grabbing jerseys, pushing through screens, etc... He also said he hasn't addressed it in practice because it doesn't get seen in games usually. ~ I'm not saying we are that good or had a perfect game, but the coaches are learning exactly what we are supposed to be looking at and what we aren't supposed to be looking at.

Can you say "TRAINING"? For the first part of that post, it sounds as if there needs to be more training in your area. I know where I am from, we have four Fridays in a gym where a team scrimmages and we teach officiating skills (2 and 3 person). Those who cannot officiate in the 3 person area, do not get post season (where we use that in all tournament games).

Yea, it makes it tough on the coaches sometimes, but someday, they will have to realize that there are good officials out there that call that off ball stuff and if they don't teach the players to do it right, their team will suffer!

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by TriggerMN

Are all coaches a shade of red in your area??

You don't watch too much Bugs Bunny, do you?

[just another ref]

There are many ways of "getting away with as much as possible." To the coach who teaches his player to stay in the lane longer and longer if there is no three second call, I say "I don't blame you." To the coach that teaches his players to poke the shooter in the stomach because nobody is looking there, I say "Sir, you should be dragged down the top of the levee behind a 1975 Ford Courier."**







**a throwback to my childhood, we never did it, just threatened it

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Jimgolf

You don't watch too much Bugs Bunny, do you?

Can't find it on TV anymore. Gotta go rent DVDs. I'm sure it's on some obscure cable channel, but it's not on my cable system.

[Back In The Saddle]

Part of it is the coaches, part of it is us.

Coaches: We've seen all kinds of example of it. I've had one team this year where their philosophy was to play very agressively, and bring a deep bench. Their coach figures, at least some of the time, that the refs will get tired of calling fouls.

Us: Because we all call the game differently, the players are under the necessity of feeling out the refs. The only way to do that is push the envelope to see where we'll call the fouls.

[Chess Ref]

There is a team in our area that does the same thing. They are relentless. They start at the frosh level, fine tune it at JV and by Varsity time they are a threat to win the sectionals. which they did last year.

I had them last year. My partner was a "talk to them kind of guy". By the end of 1st half of the frosh game he stopped talking and just kept blowing. It took us 4 hours and 15 minutes for the frosh/JV doubleheader. The scorekeeper added the fouls up and said between the two games 141 fouls. It was miserable. They won both of those games by 40 points or so. They were and still are relentless.....