Who gets the T?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Looking at it right now.
Bench personnel/substitutes, enter court without permission; counts towards 1. 2 technicals, 5 personals, team foul count. Head coach assessed indirect T.

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

Just wondering, how could this happen during an intermission?

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just wondering, how could this happen during an intermission?

If the team failed to send/report the sub(s) to the table to check in between periods.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

If the team failed to send/report the sub(s) to the table to check in between periods.

So in that case we charge an indirect to the head coach? (I don't have a rulebook with me right now)

[tjones1]

Speaking of the table on page 73. On "Dunk or grasp basket" the rules citing is incorrect. It should be 10-3-4.

[HawkeyeCubP]

And also speaking of the table on p. 73, how can a disqualified player ever be considered a substitute?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

And also speaking of the table on p. 73, how can a disqualified player ever be considered a substitute?

Think of a DQ'd player sneaking back into the game and it not getting caught immediately. While he is playing, you would have to consider him a player, right?
4-34-4 is written to cover this screw-up:
"If entry is not legal, the substitute becomes a player when the ball becomes live."

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

So in that case we charge an indirect to the head coach? (I don't have a rulebook with me right now)

Nope, charged to the team and it counts toward the team-foul count.

The fifth item in the "Administrative" is "team not ready to start half."

[Adam]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

Disclosure. The only rule book I have here is 2005-2006. It says Subs and bench personnel in the same block, and includes entering without permission. Substitutes don't have their own block on page 73; they're considered bench personnel.

Was this another change this year that we weren't told about.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disclosure. The only rule book I have here is 2005-2006. It says Subs and bench personnel in the same block, and includes entering without permission. Substitutes don't have their own block on page 73; they're considered bench personnel.

Was this another change this year that we weren't told about.

Snaqs - I'm looking at 05-06 (and 04-05) right now, and it has separate rows for substitutes and for bench personnel. Subs are the 5th row of the table and bench personnel are the 7th row. Looks the same as the 06-07.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by HawkeyeCubP

Snaqs - I'm looking at 05-06 (and 04-05) right now, and it has separate rows for substitutes and for bench personnel. Subs are the 5th row of the table and bench personnel are the 7th row. Looks the same as the 06-07.

I see it now. That's what I get for multi-tasking.