Who gets the T?

A Pennsylvania Coach · #1 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 01:49pm

After a timeout, V35 breaks the huddle and comes directly on the floor without having reported before or during the timeout. Before the ball is put back in play, the scorer summons the official and the official issues a technicial foul. Who is the foul on? "Team"? Coach indirect? Player? If so, does it count toward the five for disqualification?

blindzebra · #2 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 01:52pm

Substitute, counts toward 2 T's to ejection, 5 fouls to disqualification and team fouls to bonus.

Lotto · #3 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:07pm

NCAA rules: This is an indirect technical foul (10-3.9a) charged to V35. It does not count towards the five fouls for DQ, towards the 7/10 fouls for the bonus, or against the coach.

Adam · #4 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:25pm

NFHS; It's an indirect on the head coach as well. Seat belt.

blindzebra · #5 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:29pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

NFHS; It's an indirect on the head coach as well. Seat belt.

That is incorrect...check the penalty chart in the NFHS rule book page 73.

Adam · #6 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:34pm

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

That is incorrect...check the penalty chart in the NFHS rule book page 73.

Looking at it right now.
Bench personnel/substitutes, enter court without permission; counts towards 1. 2 technicals, 5 personals, team foul count. Head coach assessed indirect T.

blindzebra · #7 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:39pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Looking at it right now.
Bench personnel/substitutes, enter court without permission; counts towards 1. 2 technicals, 5 personals, team foul count. Head coach assessed indirect T.

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

Raymond · #8 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:53pm

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

Just wondering, how could this happen during an intermission?

Adam · #9 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 02:57pm

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

We have a sub, not bench personnel, look under substitutes this falls under failing to report entering without being beckoned...no indirect.

Had this occurred during an intermission, then it falls under bench personnel 4-34-2.

Disclosure. The only rule book I have here is 2005-2006. It says Subs and bench personnel in the same block, and includes entering without permission. Substitutes don't have their own block on page 73; they're considered bench personnel.

Was this another change this year that we weren't told about.

HawkeyeCubP · #10 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 03:07pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Disclosure. The only rule book I have here is 2005-2006. It says Subs and bench personnel in the same block, and includes entering without permission. Substitutes don't have their own block on page 73; they're considered bench personnel.

Was this another change this year that we weren't told about.

Snaqs - I'm looking at 05-06 (and 04-05) right now, and it has separate rows for substitutes and for bench personnel. Subs are the 5th row of the table and bench personnel are the 7th row. Looks the same as the 06-07.

blindzebra · #11 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 03:14pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Just wondering, how could this happen during an intermission?

If the team failed to send/report the sub(s) to the table to check in between periods.

tjchamp · #12 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 03:35pm

So, when you don't KNOW who the "6th" player on floor is, who do you give the T to? Not sure about the rest of the country, but around here, the book does not keep track of who is in the game at every moment of time.

Mark Dexter · #13 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 04:07pm

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Originally Posted by tjchamp

So, when you don't KNOW who the "6th" player on floor is, who do you give the T to? Not sure about the rest of the country, but around here, the book does not keep track of who is in the game at every moment of time.

The team (10-1-6).

Kinda like in football, when you call a penalty for 12 men on the field and the coach asks "Who was the 12th man??" Jeez, coach, I didn't call that last play. Or an illegal formation call for fewer than 7 men on the line of scrimmage and the coach asks "Who was off the line?" Once again - I have at least 5 suspects.

Mwanr1 · #14 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 04:13pm

2006-2007 NFHS rule book, Page 73,

Substitutes: Entering court; no reportl not beckoned -

Counts toward: 1. 2 Technicals 2. 5 personal 3. Team-foul count

It states nothing for the Head Coach assessed column.

Therefore, the "T" should be charged to the substitute only!

Raymond · #15 (**permalink**) Tue Dec 12, 2006, 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by blindzebra

If the team failed to send/report the sub(s) to the table to check in between periods.

So in that case we charge an indirect to the head coach? (I don't have a rulebook with me right now)