Giving a T

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by Rita C

He did leave, with the threat that he was coming back out when he found the rule that said he didn't have to leave. Took a couple of minutes for my partner to convince him to leave.

He was with the visiting team so they were gone by the time I came out of the office after post game.

Rita

Wait - you mean he never did find that rule???

I always use the whistle to signal a technical foul except for pre-game administrative or dunking T's. A good piece of advice that I've been given is to turn or walk away from the coach before you signal the T. That way you're not as confrontational, you're not seen as provoking a response and if the coach decides to react, you've put some room between him/her and you.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Junker

Personally, the only time I will not hit my whistle for a T is if it's a book error before the tip. Beyond that, I hit my whistle hard and loud so that everyone knows what is going on. I don't want any confusion if I have to assess a T. As far as back to back, why weren't your partners coming in. If we have a T, we get someone else in there asap to talk to the coach and get the calling official away from the benches.

The getting the partner away part I understand. The talking to the coach part is BS (with very few exceptions). I will tell a coach he must sit and then he sees my backside. The official who called the T can talk to the coach about the technical foul at the appropriate time if he/she so desires. Anything else, IMO, is consoling an adult who got what they earned and should learn from it unless they have something better to do in the locker room.

Oh, I hit the whistle and point at the offender(s) when I call a T. I would say the majority of T's call themselves (if you want to look at it that way). It probably isn't a mystery to everyone so I just call it and move on.

[deecee]

first off -- once you inform a coach he has to leave its up to game management to get him out -- if they cannot do this for whatever reason only then should you call the ballgame -- but take every step necessary.

Inform coach he has to leave
Inform game management he has to leave
Talk with an assistant if available
Talk to game management again

By now if none of this has worked you have no choice but to disqualify his team from participation. get out -- write it up and go home knowing you did everything you possibly could to get him to leave.

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure I like that.

There shouldn't be any discussion over who sits the coach, IMO, that should be your partner. Calling it, talking and then going back near the coach to report can be seen as baiting the coach.

I had this come up just last week. My partner got the visiting coach, 2nd half from lead. He came by reported, turned and said what he had and went to the other end to shoot. I walked across to the bench area and observed the players and let the coach talk to my back while we shot the first FT, as the second shot went up I turned and said, "Coach you have your seat the rest of the game," and went back across the court for the throw-in.

We took care of business, the coach had his say without feeling challenged, he calmed down, my partner had a chance to regroup and the game went on from there without incident.

I like the way you handled this.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Not sure I like that.

There shouldn't be any discussion over who sits the coach, IMO, that should be your partner. Calling it, talking and then going back near the coach to report can be seen as baiting the coach.

I had this come up just last week. My partner got the visiting coach, 2nd half from lead. He came by reported, turned and said what he had and went to the other end to shoot. I walked across to the bench area and observed the players and let the coach talk to my back while we shot the first FT, as the second shot went up I turned and said, "Coach you have your seat the rest of the game," and went back across the court for the throw-in.

We took care of business, the coach had his say without feeling challenged, he calmed down, my partner had a chance to regroup and the game went on from there without incident.

The real beauty of these kinds of discussions is that we can both be very successful with our approaches

Just to clarify a couple points, if you already know that your partner is going to sit the coach, that's fine. The point is to get the calling official away from the coach and to give him a few seconds to calm down. A second benefit is that it can also help keep the crew from screwing up. I work with many less experienced officials, but it was a more experienced official who thought he was doing me a big favor by getting everybody quickly lined up to shoot while I was reporting a T. Only he had us shooting at the wrong basket. You can imagine how well that went over.

Second, it isn't actually necessary to go back near the coach to report. The foul reporting area is vast. If the calling official administers the T, which is the way we do it on my crews, then you can turn from your huddle, report from where you are, and hustle off to the endline to administer the free throw. The next contact that coach will have will be with your partner, putting him in an ideal position to deliver the second T if it is warranted.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The real beauty of these kinds of discussions is that we can both be very successful with our approaches

Just to clarify a couple points, if you already know that your partner is going to sit the coach, that's fine. The point is to get the calling official away from the coach and to give him a few seconds to calm down. A second benefit is that it can also help keep the crew from screwing up. I work with many less experienced officials, but it was a more experienced official who thought he was doing me a big favor by getting everybody quickly lined up to shoot while I was reporting a T. Only he had us shooting at the wrong basket. You can imagine how well that went over.

Second, it isn't actually necessary to go back near the coach to report. The foul reporting area is vast. If the calling official administers the T, which is the way we do it on my crews, then you can turn from your huddle, report from where you are, and hustle off to the endline to administer the free throw. The next contact that coach will have will be with your partner, putting him in an ideal position to deliver the second T if it is warranted.

I completely agree the crew needs to get together, I just don't agree with your sequence.

For me call it, report it, get away and talk to your partner seems less risky than call it, get away, talk to your partner and go back toward the coach to report...if you are using the foul reporting area that is in the manual, it isn't that vast...even if you aren't near the coach, the act of coming back and giving the T to the table, to me anyway, seems like it can be seen as an aggressive act.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by deecee

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

In my game, we have ourselves a forfeit.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by deecee

first off -- once you inform a coach he has to leave its up to game management to get him out -- if they cannot do this for whatever reason only then should you call the ballgame -- but take every step necessary.

Inform coach he has to leave
Inform game management he has to leave
Talk with an assistant if available
Talk to game management again

By now if none of this has worked you have no choice but to disqualify his team from participation. get out -- write it up and go home knowing you did everything you possibly could to get him to leave.

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

This is strictly not according to rule, deecee. Dexter has the right idea. If he tries to come back into the gym, it's a forfeit, pure and simple. There's no discretion or judgment involved.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

let your partner inform the coach that he/she lost the coaches box.

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

Shut up.

I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.

[M&M Guy]

What did I miss?

(This auto-text feature really works.)

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

What is this "coaches box" that you speak of? I think it's a mythical being, like Dan_ref's hair or Jurassic's sense of humor.

(Seems we've had a rash of "coaches' box" comments lately. I now have that response programmed in my auto-text.)

[Scrapper1]

I thought you were supposed to turn those plates in.