Giving a T

[Rita C]

In the funny story thread, he used the expression, "I have freedom of the whistle."

Are we supposed to whistle when we give a T? I gave two back to back to the same coach last night.

He really needs a "how to talk to the ref" lesson.

Rita

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Rita C

In the funny story thread, he used the expression, "I have freedom of the whistle."

Are we supposed to whistle when we give a T? I gave two back to back to the same coach last night.

He really needs a "how to talk to the ref" lesson.

Rita

I don't always whistle the T, although I often do. But I'm probably not the best authority on the subject. If the guy is getting in your face, a whistle can back him off quickly, and that can be useful. If you're having trouble getting someone's attention, a whistle does the job. Obviously, you need a whistle to stop play. For back to back T's, I'd at least give a whistle for the second one. It emphasizes to everyone that you're now adding on. But you also need to be careful about back to back T's. Sometimes it's necessary, but sometimes you can avoid the second with some judicial turning of your back and switching off of the ears. That saves the coach's dignity, if there's anything left to save, and it obviates the need to file a report.

[Junker]

Personally, the only time I will not hit my whistle for a T is if it's a book error before the tip. Beyond that, I hit my whistle hard and loud so that everyone knows what is going on. I don't want any confusion if I have to assess a T. As far as back to back, why weren't your partners coming in. If we have a T, we get someone else in there asap to talk to the coach and get the calling official away from the benches.

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Junker

Personally, the only time I will not hit my whistle for a T is if it's a book error before the tip. Beyond that, I hit my whistle hard and loud so that everyone knows what is going on. I don't want any confusion if I have to assess a T. As far as back to back, why weren't your partners coming in. If we have a T, we get someone else in there asap to talk to the coach and get the calling official away from the benches.

The best part of using the whistle is that you actually let your partner(s) know you've called one. Once, when working with an unfamiliar partner, we were lining up for FTs and I had no idea why. Not good.

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Rich Fronheiser

The best part of using the whistle is that you actually let your partner(s) know you've called one. Once, when working with an unfamiliar partner, we were lining up for FTs and I had no idea why. Not good.

Good point. I have had that happen to me. And I did that to my partner last night.

In four years this is only maybe the fifth time I've been in a game in which a T has been given. Maybe we have kindler, gentler coaches

Rita

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by Junker

Personally, the only time I will not hit my whistle for a T is if it's a book error before the tip. Beyond that, I hit my whistle hard and loud so that everyone knows what is going on. I don't want any confusion if I have to assess a T. As far as back to back, why weren't your partners coming in. If we have a T, we get someone else in there asap to talk to the coach and get the calling official away from the benches.

That's just it. Because I didn't use a whistle, my partner didn't know what was happening. The whole situation would have been better and maybe the second T avoided had I used the whistle the first time.

Learning, learning.

Rita

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Junker

Personally, the only time I will not hit my whistle for a T is if it's a book error before the tip. Beyond that, I hit my whistle hard and loud so that everyone knows what is going on. I don't want any confusion if I have to assess a T. As far as back to back, why weren't your partners coming in. If we have a T, we get someone else in there asap to talk to the coach and get the calling official away from the benches.

The getting the partner away part I understand. The talking to the coach part is BS (with very few exceptions). I will tell a coach he must sit and then he sees my backside. The official who called the T can talk to the coach about the technical foul at the appropriate time if he/she so desires. Anything else, IMO, is consoling an adult who got what they earned and should learn from it unless they have something better to do in the locker room.

Oh, I hit the whistle and point at the offender(s) when I call a T. I would say the majority of T's call themselves (if you want to look at it that way). It probably isn't a mystery to everyone so I just call it and move on.

[deecee]

first off -- once you inform a coach he has to leave its up to game management to get him out -- if they cannot do this for whatever reason only then should you call the ballgame -- but take every step necessary.

Inform coach he has to leave
Inform game management he has to leave
Talk with an assistant if available
Talk to game management again

By now if none of this has worked you have no choice but to disqualify his team from participation. get out -- write it up and go home knowing you did everything you possibly could to get him to leave.

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by deecee

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

In my game, we have ourselves a forfeit.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by deecee

first off -- once you inform a coach he has to leave its up to game management to get him out -- if they cannot do this for whatever reason only then should you call the ballgame -- but take every step necessary.

Inform coach he has to leave
Inform game management he has to leave
Talk with an assistant if available
Talk to game management again

By now if none of this has worked you have no choice but to disqualify his team from participation. get out -- write it up and go home knowing you did everything you possibly could to get him to leave.

On a side note -- what if said coach returns after his ejection? If he returns to the bench -- I will hit the assistant coach with a T -- and tell him he has 10 seconds to get the ejected coach out of here or its a DQ.

This is strictly not according to rule, deecee. Dexter has the right idea. If he tries to come back into the gym, it's a forfeit, pure and simple. There's no discretion or judgment involved.

[Rita C]

I don't give Ts much. However, this guy was saying that we didn't know the rules. He wouldn't sit after the first T and said he would sit when he was good and ready.

He wouldn't leave the game either. I didn't push that issue but let my partner take care of it. He told my partner that we were wrong about his having to leave the game. He told my partner he would be back out as soon as he found the rule that he didn't have to leave the game.

There's a lot more to it. It happened during the fourth quarter of a game his team was losing.

It was our lack of knowledge that was causing them to lose, you know.

Rita

[Junker]

That sounds like an easy ejection. Nice job.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by Rita C

It was our lack of knowledge that was causing them to lose, you know.

Just as long as you keep that straight in your mind, you'll be fine!!

But seriously, you did the right thing. How long did you have to wait until he left? And in the end, did he finally leave the building, or did he hang around and wait for you after the game?

[Rita C]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

Just as long as you keep that straight in your mind, you'll be fine!!

But seriously, you did the right thing. How long did you have to wait until he left? And in the end, did he finally leave the building, or did he hang around and wait for you after the game?

He did leave, with the threat that he was coming back out when he found the rule that said he didn't have to leave. Took a couple of minutes for my partner to convince him to leave.

He was with the visiting team so they were gone by the time I came out of the office after post game.

Rita

[Junker]

Another thing to possibly consider is the nonverbal message you're sending the coach by not using the whistle. If you step back, hit it loud and hard, you are presenting yourself as more assertive than if you just give the mechanic. Not giving the whistle may make you seem unsure. That's just my $.02.