Penalize Insanity 1

[OHBBREF]

This week I was waiting to get dressed watching reserve games twice - and I saw two very troubling situations this is the first

Wed, First half team A down three with 1:30 left and there is a charge call lower block that goes against them (solid call from my perspective) coach is ballistic before the official reports - Official reports and moves on - coach is now nuclear - out of the box stomping around red in the face - clearly nearing the insanity phase - ball inbounded and they move in the opposite direction - coach is still stomping around on the sideline. Ball goes out of bounds right to the coach - he holds the ball and is just reaming on the official - who now stop signs him - the coach still has the ball - and is still going on.
The official says something to him and he gets the ball but the coach is still giving him what for but in a slightly calmer manner now.
The ball is inbounded and there is a block call made against his team - same player who got the charge - on the block different official and here we go again - official stays while they shoot the shots and gets chewed and the time expires after the missed free throw - the coach takes a couple of shots on the way out and we all go to the locker room -
The official's conversation consists of what an a$$ this guy is being, he doesn't know what he is talking about.
I asked "since all three of you have had run ins with him why is he still up and about"
Response "you just have to know (We will call him Ed) he is just that way and really isn't that bad a guy - he is harmless"
The first part of the third quarter showed a similar pattern of behavior and no response from the officials - we left and got dressed.
Our Buddy Ed was on the bench for the varsity game and he got WHACKED within the first 3 minutes of the game and we didn't have any more issues with him or his head coach who was starting off with the same sort of behavior.

[All_Heart]

Good example of a technical that makes the game better. I had one of those a couple of weeks ago where I whacked the coach 4 minutes into the game (after I stopped signed him). After that the players settled down and the coach stopped officiating and coached his team. He actually went overboard to be nice to my partners and I for the rest of the game.

Once a coach realizes that he/she is not going to be the fourth official they will usually coach their team instead.

[Kevzebra]

I had a coach the same way once. He started on the very first "no-call" of the game.....stop sign...game clock read 7:38 of the first quarter (HS game). He got his "T" at the 6:16 mark. He was a saint the rest of the game.

Sometimes you have to pull the trigger no matter how "nice" a guy he is off the court. No one deserves to be embarrased on the court.

[tomegun]

I understand, but I don't understand why it seems like a coach must be given a stop sign first. IMO, either the coach is going to go overboard or he isn't. Most of the time a stop sign isn't going to make any difference. IMO, it has more to do with the officials' feel for what is going on and what is too much. I think there should probably be at least twice as many T's in a high school game until we get back to playing the game the way it should be played.

[All_Heart]

Originally Posted by tomegun

I understand, but I don't understand why it seems like a coach must be given a stop sign first. IMO, either the coach is going to go overboard or he isn't. Most of the time a stop sign isn't going to make any difference. IMO, it has more to do with the officials' feel for what is going on and what is too much. I think there should probably be at least twice as many T's in a high school game until we get back to playing the game the way it should be played.

There doesn't HAVE to be a stop sign! I have definitely t'd up a coach without a stop sign. IMO, the purpose of a stop sign is to have a visual warning on film and to communicate to your partners that the coach has been warned. A coach could be quietly saying "travel", "3 seconds", "foul" on every play. Do immediately give him a technical? No, you give him a warning so that everyone in the gym (including your partners) is not suprised when you give him a technical.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by All_Heart

There doesn't HAVE to be a stop sign! I have definitely t'd up a coach without a stop sign. IMO, the purpose of a stop sign is to have a visual warning on film and to communicate to your partners that the coach has been warned. A coach could be quietly saying "travel", "3 seconds", "foul" on every play. Do immediately give him a technical? No, you give him a warning so that everyone in the gym (including your partners) is not suprised when you give him a technical.

I understand what you are saying, but I would ask you to try something. Forget about what everyone in the gym does or doesn't know and match your calls to the appropriate violation/foul. The crowd might not like you, but you might feel better about the job you did. This isn't black and white, but IMO the stop sign isn't a requirement between unsportsmanlike behavior and a technical foul. Although you might not always use it, this thread is an example of plenty of officials who do. Don't think I'm a gunslinger, although some people may say I am