Help Please

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

That's true for Men, but I'm not sure about Women.

In HS, I believe that the Lead does have the closely guarded count in his/her primary.

In NCAA-W, the L would be responsible for the 5-second count in their primary, mainly because the L's primary extends out to the sideline.

I'm curious as to what other people do in HS as well. I've also been told by many veteran officials that the L never has that count. My question to them as always been, "If the ball is in your primary, then who is supposed to have the count? If the T, for example, has the count, then are you advocating two sets of eyes in your primary?" No one has been able to answer that, other than to say that it's never been an issue.

Granted, it is rarely an issue, given the coverage areas in HS. More often than not, the ball gets knocked away or passed out quickly if it's on the block or in the paint. But if I'm the R, I will mention in the pre-game that the L should have that count if it's in their primary.

[Ref_ Fred]

I had a scrimmage and I was telling another official not to ave a 5-second count as lead (when ball is live) I know I am correct but I cna't find it in the manual anywhere. Can someone give me some direction on where to find it so I can pass it on. He was still unsure when I told him.

If it's in his/her primary why not count?

[Snake~eyes]

Originally Posted by Ref_ Fred

If it's in his/her primary why not count?

Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Snake~eyes

Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

I agree with you, but I'm still wondering where it is written that the L does not have the count. FishinRef found the reference to "The Center or Trail, who has a 5-second closely guarded count in the front court," (Pg 48). But, again, it doesn't say the L should not have the count.

Maybe we need to have that discussion again about if something is not specifically mentioned, is it allowed, or not allowed?

[Ref_ Fred]

Because in 3-person HS mechanics the lead is not suppose to have a 5 second count. In my opinion it is stupid, you are going to have two people watch the ball. I don't understand why the lead cannot have a count.

In the OP, it did not make any mention of 2 or 3 man. secondly there are areas of the court that the lead is repsonble for that would require a 5 second count.

[PIAA REF]

My origianl post was reguarding 3-man. Sorry if there was any confusion.

[Junker]

I think the line of thinking is that there really shouldn't be a time when lead should have to call a 5 second violation. The lead is primarily there for post play. If a player is dribbling out front and then gets into the lane still legally guarded the T should be staying with the count. Besides that, it would be difficult to see a visual count from the lead on the baseline. Too many bodies in the way most of the time.