Layup

[bradfordwilkins]

This is a trick question? Why isn't the lead on top of this if its directly under the basket?

But if I have to make a call -- I've got a block here on B1 -- last I checked on the floor is not LGP. The question is do I count the basket and I think I'd have to see it to make a judgement.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

No, it's not a block/charge.

But the AR is clear - B1 has taken an illegal position.

But the offensive player clearly intentionally stepped on an opponent. I don't think I'm allowing that to happen. So I don't think the question of whether B1 had legal guarding position is relevant.

[bradfordwilkins]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But the offensive player clearly intentionally stepped on an opponent. I don't think I'm allowing that to happen. So I don't think the question of whether B1 had legal guarding position is relevant.

From the description, the player made a move to the basket stepping into their normal lay-up pattern, the only difference is in order to get to the basket, they had to pass through this player in an illegal guarding position.

Had this occurred outside the 3 point line and A2 turned around to go make sure they step on the player, yes I agree with you we've got an IF or FF. But on the way to the basket for a layup, I think the rules pretty clearly state we've got a block here.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But the offensive player clearly intentionally stepped on an opponent. I don't think I'm allowing that to happen.

Why not?

It would have been a block according to the AR if he fell down.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by bradfordwilkins

But if I have to make a call -- I've got a block here on B1 -- last I checked on the floor is not LGP.

If a player with the ball pushed off a player beside him with an elbow, would you call a block too because the defender didn't have LGP?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Why not?

It would have been a block according to the AR if he fell down.

Why not?

If A2 falls down, he's been put at a disadvantage. If A2 jumps off of the defender though, he's gaining an advantage.

[rainmaker]

I've been gone all day, so I haven't checked in till now.

JR -- I said T because of A2 using something to illegally get taller. Then I called it flagrant because it was an opponent. I thought about live-ball contact, but the contact wasn't the basis for the technical. I'd be fine with a flagrant personal, though. Either way, the kid sits...

Dan -- I don't do NCAA, so I don't need to fully understand your citations, but I'm curious. I don't think that the illegal position of B1 is at issue. If A2 tripped, I'd see this as a block by the NCAA rules. But if A2 deliberately reaches his foot out and steps on B1, I don't see how you could penalize for a block. It's gotta be a foul on A2, even if it's not PC or charge. It's just flagrant, isn't it?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Why not?

If A2 falls down, he's been put at a disadvantage. If A2 jumps off of the defender though, he's gaining an advantage.

Maybe, maybe not.

I notice you didn't say A2 gained an illegal advantage.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

I've been gone all day, so I haven't checked in till now.

JR -- I said T because of A2 using something to illegally get taller.

Fed or ncaa rule please?

Dan -- I don't do NCAA, so I don't need to fully understand your citations, but I'm curious. I don't think that the illegal position of B1 is at issue. If A2 tripped, I'd see this as a block by the NCAA rules. But if A2 deliberately reaches his foot out and steps on B1, I don't see how you could penalize for a block. It's gotta be a foul on A2, even if it's not PC or charge. It's just flagrant, isn't it?

Why?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

JR -- I said T because of A2 using something to illegally get taller. Then I called it flagrant because it was an opponent. I thought about live-ball contact, but the contact wasn't the basis for the technical. I'd be fine with a flagrant personal, though. Either way, the kid sits...

Juulie, as per NFHS rule 10-3-7(d), you can only call a technical foul if they climb on a teammate. The rule doesn't apply to climbing on an opponent. Illegal contact with an opponent during a live ball is covered under "personal foul" in rule 4-19-1.

That was my point.

PS- the NCAA rule reads exactly the same way iirc.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I notice you didn't say A2 gained an illegal advantage.

I noticed that you haven't answered my question yet either as to whether it would be traveling if A2 picked up his pivot foot, and then brought it down on B2 and then jumped off of B2.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

I noticed that you haven't answered my question yet either as to whether it would be traveling if A2 picked up his pivot foot, and then brought it down on B2 and then jumped off of B2.

Can't get nuthin by you. You're right, I didn't answer it. But that aint what happened. Now go start your own thread, m'kay?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I notice you didn't say A2 gained an illegal advantage.

Can't get nuthin' by you. You're right. I didn't say it.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Can't get nuthin' by you. You're right. I didn't say it.

Can't get nuthin' by none of us!

(what's the question again?)

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

what's the question again?

Where's Chuck?