Is this curse worthy of a "T"?

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You went through all of that to tell us the same thing? Who really missed the point?

Peace

The majority of people who responded to this said "no T" - the rules, and the philosophy of the game as defined by the NFHS, say "T".

Far too many officials I know make up things as they go along, and ignore rules or interpretations they disagree with. That was why I went through all of that.

[TimTaylor]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

The majority of people who responded to this said "no T" - the rules, and the philosophy of the game as defined by the NFHS, say "T".

And that is your OPINION, which you are absolutely entitled to.

As others have already said, it's not just what words are used, but how they were used, who they were directed at and the demeanor of the person using them. We weren't there, so there's no way we can judge that except from the original post - there's a big difference between "muttered", as stated in the original post, and "screamed".

Yes there are some words that if uttered loudly enough to be clearly overheard will draw an automatic "T" - IMHO "hell" isn't one of them.

[Junker]

I've never liked the way that rule is written. What is profane and inappropriate can vary widely according to official's own beliefs. Obviously there are things we don't want to hear on the floor, but this can certainly be a grey area. I wouldn't even address a coach saying "what in the hell" to a player.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Junker

I've never liked the way that rule is written. What is profane and inappropriate can vary widely according to official's own beliefs. Obviously there are things we don't want to hear on the floor, but this can certainly be a grey area. I wouldn't even address a coach saying "what in the hell" to a player.

So you're saying this is appropriate for a teacher to say to a student? That is what the test should be, since the NFHS defines high school sports as an extention of the classroom.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

So you're saying this is appropriate for a teacher to say to a student? That is what the test should be, since the NFHS defines high school sports as an extention of the classroom.

"Hell" is nothing. If you give out warnings for "hell", that's what your career will be.

[iceman70]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

So you're saying this is appropriate for a teacher to say to a student? That is what the test should be, since the NFHS defines high school sports as an extention of the classroom.

Actually, I had teachers say much worse things to me. Appropriate? If you knew me in high school....

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by iceman70

Actually, I had teachers say much worse things to me. Appropriate? If you knew me in high school....

And that makes it appropriate? Not under any circumstances. Your teachers should be above reacting to any behavior in an inappropriate manner. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying just because it does happen doesn't mean it should, or that it is appropriate for teachers (or coaches) to do so.

[Larks]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

And that makes it appropriate? Not under any circumstances. Your teachers should be above reacting to any behavior in an inappropriate manner. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying just because it does happen doesn't mean it should, or that it is appropriate for teachers (or coaches) to do so.

Do you think that it is an EXACT comparison to compare the emotion involved in a high school basketball game vs. the standards used to teach in a classroom environment? I dont think you can make that exact specific comparison in the real world. You are reading too much into it in my opinion.

I think it's not up to us to be the guys who try to uphold that level of standard in the gym. That is the principal, AD and school board's job. My job is to make sure profanity is not used during the game especially directed at me or opponents. If a coach wants to get in a kids grill and use hell and damn...maybe even GD, I will let his peers and supervisors make the decision if that type of language is appropriate or not. If s/he is using language that has become very common place in our society (hell and damn), I am leaving it alone. If he crosses the line and uses IN MY OPINION, words that are considerd profainty by a common sense standard, I'll deal with it with either warnings or Ts.

I believe if you go looking for trouble, you will find it and if you start tossing T's everytime you hear Damn or Hell, I submit you will A ) ruin those games and B ) wont be working at the high school level.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

So you're saying this is appropriate for a teacher to say to a student? That is what the test should be, since the NFHS defines high school sports as an extention of the classroom.

That's not my decision as an official. That's between the coach and his or her administrators. Hell is not a word that I would think too many people take offense to. I wouldn't say a word to this coach in this situation. If a coach is using words are less suitable, like sh#* or the F bomb, I'll walk over and tell them to please watch their language so I don't have to address it with a whistle.

[tjones1]

If I were put in this situation, I would just continue down the floor, as most people have said. Chances are, if you get him for this, you're going to get him again about 10 seconds after you call the first T.

IMO, he'll have only earned one of them.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Junker

That's not my decision as an official. That's between the coach and his or her administrators. Hell is not a word that I would think too many people take offense to. I wouldn't say a word to this coach in this situation. If a coach is using words are less suitable, like sh#* or the F bomb, I'll walk over and tell them to please watch their language so I don't have to address it with a whistle.

You're only going to warn for the F-Bomb? Wow... that is a tad too lenient in my book. Sorry - that is WAY too lenient in my book.

[Scrapper1]

Wikipedia lists nine Crusades. Does that mean we have seven more of these ridiculous threads to wade through?

Dave, if you want to give a technical for that, go ahead. Seems like nobody else here thinks it's a good idea. But if you know that's how it's supposed to be called, then knock yourself out. I don't think you're gonna make many converts, tho.

[truerookie]

What the Hell? Even, I know not to address this situation. It time to move on.

[rockyroad]

I'm going to defend David a little bit here...I don't have a problem with someone giving a T for what was originally said - I wouldn't, but if my partner did, I've got his/her back on it...like I said in an earlier thread, David Rinke appears to be very passionate about officiating and you can't really fault him for that. Disagree with him all you want, but he's got passion for the game...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

I don't have a problem with someone giving a T for what was originally said.

Rocky, do me a favor and try a little experiment with your class tomorrow. Lay out the original post and ask your kids whether they consider that swearing and what they generally think of it. I'm kinda nterested in what their views are.