Coverage Areas

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Gimlet25id

Dude... thats harsh!!!! Your probably one of those guys who say its my way or the highway. You mean none of what I was saying makes any sense to you @ all.

I'm curious to the highest level you work @ now?

Dude, you really do not know much about me or my philosophies. I believe in the mechanics and I believe in team work. When someone does something outside of their job description, it causes resentment amongst crew mates and puts a higher scrutiny on the official not doing what is in their job description.

Since you asked I must give full disclosure. I work Football, Basketball and Baseball. I work college primarily in Basketball and Baseball. I was hired last year in D1 in baseball last year and likely will work again this year. I have been for years asked to work college football and finally this year I worked a few lower level college JV games to work on 7 man which is going to likely norm after this year. I say all of this because in working all these sports there is a belief to call your primary first and if you go out of your primary you better be 100% correct. If people on the crew (in any sport) do not carry their weight, they will not be there much longer. I guess the D1 mentor I referred to (who worked his first NCAA Men's Tournament this past season) also does not know what they are talking about and was an instructor at a D1 camp I attended last year is wrong and you are right.

Peace

[zebraman]

Gimlet25id,

I care about getting the calls right. That is why I do not go looking into my partner's areas.

1) I should be taking care of my own business.
2) If you are ball watching it their area, you need to understand that they have the best look at the play 99% of the time. Maybe what you THOUGHT you saw while poaching wasn't actually what really happened.

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Gimlet25id,

I care about getting the calls right. That is why I do not go looking into my partner's areas.

1) I should be taking care of my own business.
2) If you are ball watching it their area, you need to understand that they have the best look at the play 99% of the time. Maybe what you THOUGHT you saw while poaching wasn't actually what really happened.

Another post that hasn't read the thread. If you had read all of the posts you would understand what I'm saying. Your basically saying that secondary coverage doesn't matter. What do you officiate if you don't have COMPETITIVE match ups in your primary. Do you take a break?

Nobody is condoling ball watching...

[rockyroad]

Wow...8 pages and counting. Good grief...There is a reason "Stay in your primary" is (or should be) part of every pre-game meeting. There is also something to be said for the attitude "if you see something that is a non-basketball play, go get it"...or as one of my Canadian buddies says - "If you see something that is for God and Country, come get it".

BUT...that really doesn't happen very often... I can think of about 5 times all last season where something NEEDED to be called...on the other hand, I can think of 12 separate calls that sent games straight to the crapper when a partner decided something outside their area needed to be called when it didn't...all 12 times involved phone calls from assignors and game film being sent out, and two of those involved officials who are no longer working games at that level (both were multiple calls in one game, even after the "Hey, what are you doing" talks at time-outs)...so feel free to go fishing outside your pond if you see a great white swimming around...but you better make sure it's a great white and not a little old harmless manatee...

[Gimlet25id]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Wow...8 pages and counting. Good grief...There is a reason "Stay in your primary" is (or should be) part of every pre-game meeting. There is also something to be said for the attitude "if you see something that is a non-basketball play, go get it"...or as one of my Canadian buddies says - "If you see something that is for God and Country, come get it".

BUT...that really doesn't happen very often... I can think of about 5 times all last season where something NEEDED to be called...on the other hand, I can think of 12 separate calls that sent games straight to the crapper when a partner decided something outside their area needed to be called when it didn't...all 12 times involved phone calls from assignors and game film being sent out, and two of those involved officials who are no longer working games at that level (both were multiple calls in one game, even after the "Hey, what are you doing" talks at time-outs)...so feel free to go fishing outside your pond if you see a great white swimming around...but you better make sure it's a great white and not a little old harmless manatee...

Great Post!!!!!

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by zebraman

Gimlet25id,

I care about getting the calls right. That is why I do not go looking into my partner's areas.

1) I should be taking care of my own business.
2) If you are ball watching it their area, you need to understand that they have the best look at the play 99% of the time. Maybe what you THOUGHT you saw while poaching wasn't actually what really happened.

You are assuming that #1) I am ball watching outside my area, and not just looking for competitive matchups farther away when I don't have any nearby, and #2) that the call I made was incorrect. You can't assume simply because I am farther away that I don't have a good view, or a complete view, of the situation.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

You are assuming that #1) I am ball watching outside my area, and not just looking for competitive matchups farther away when I don't have any nearby, and #2) that the call I made was incorrect. You can't assume simply because I am farther away that I don't have a good view, or a complete view, of the situation.

Then why should you assume that your partner has a worse view?

Why should you not assume, that perhaps they saw the entire thing perfectly well, and judged it to be legal?

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

Then why should you assume that your partner has a worse view?

Why should you not assume, that perhaps they saw the entire thing perfectly well, and judged it to be legal?

Same thing - why should I presume, if I see them get screened, that they saw the whole thing, when it looks to me like they couldn't in that case? I'm not saying they had a worse view - i'm saying they had a different view. Why assume that their view is better than mine? Why assume it is worse? 2 views is always better than one - I doubt there would be too many people that would disagree with this.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Same thing - why should I presume, if I see them get screened, that they saw the whole thing, when it looks to me like they couldn't in that case? I'm not saying they had a worse view - i'm saying they had a different view. Why assume that their view is better than mine? Why assume it is worse? 2 views is always better than one - I doubt there would be too many people that would disagree with this.

So while you are watching the same play as me, who is watching the other 6 to 8 players?

You seem to keep forgetting that part, huh?

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

So while you are watching the same play as me, who is watching the other 6 to 8 players?

You seem to keep forgetting that part, huh?

Again with the not reading - I never said I was watching the same play - I have been talking about stuff off ball, out of my primary. In 2 man, this means you are watching the ball (since it is in your primary), and I am watching something off ball, outside my primary, since there is nothing going on of any consequence in my primary (or I wouldn't habe looked outside in the first place, likely...)

[Gimlet25id]

Congrads!!!! It sounds like you give a lot of time to officiate. I'm sure your experience's far outway mine. Your comment agree's with what I've been saying all along. If you come out and into your partners primary you better be 100% correct. I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!!!!