Coverage Areas

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Comments from a father of a friend of a son... sounds like rather 3rd or 4th hand information

Reading problems I see...the comments were directly from the NBA official to me.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Reading problems I see...the comments were directly from the NBA official to me.

If you really want to get into this, your use of "he" in the original statement could have referred to the ref, his son, or your son... so be more clear.

This is a silly argument. You guys feel that mechanics are as important as the rules, which is not correct - we can do the sport without mechanics, it just wouldn't be as organized. We can't have a sport without rules.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Reading problems I see...the comments were directly from the NBA official to me.

Waste of time, News, waste of time. He ain't ever gonna get it. Might as well let it go.

[OHBBREF]

Have we found our Grammar Guru?

This is a silly argument. You guys feel that mechanics are as important as the rules, which is not correct - we can do the sport without mechanics, it just wouldn't be as organized. We can't have a sport without rules.

The mechanics are there as a tool to help you see the floor better to enforce the rules, in a consistant and fair manner.

Obviously you are a rule book referee, I would suggest that you relax a little and call your primary area perfectly first - then start to worry about others areas.
Only because if you are calling things in someone elses area you might be missing something in your area and then you are back where you started - you are not getting it right.

[blindzebra]

We all want to get the play right, but a big part of getting it right is SEEING THE ENTIRE PLAY, something which is nearly impossible to do if it happens outside of your primary.

There will always be some overlap...where primaries meet, things in the paint, or drives to the basket from one primary into another...and those things need to be hashed out in pregame.

Thinking you see something obvious, and knowing you see it is two very different things. Trust your partner and only go get something that isn't basketball related...cheap shots, punches, elbows, that sort of thing...common fouls and especially violations leave alone.

As for the studies, the WNBA did a breakdown on lead calling across the paint, and when they did they got it wrong 75% of the time.

[Junker]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

As for the studies, the WNBA did a breakdown on lead calling across the paint, and when they did they got it wrong 75% of the time.

Great statistic! I'll be sharing that with my HS crew. That is the major thing we want to get away from. I joined a 2 man crew last season and with all of us, some of the 2 man habits stuck around. I don't feel like I do it often, but I'm sure I do it more than I want to think I do.

[tomegun]

This is funny! He is actually arguing for ball watching.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This is funny! He is actually arguing for ball watching.

Am I wrong in remembering that you have argued repeatedly that we should be aware of what's happening outside our own areas? I'm trying to recall the phrase you used, something like "see globally, call locally" or something like that.

Though the conversation has gotten sidetracked a bit, I don't think he's arguing for ball watching. I think he's arguing that there are times when we can and should help our partner with a call in our partner's area. But he feels that some partners' "No Fishing Allowed" policy is sometimes counterproductive and gets in the way when an official should help his partner.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my sense of what he's really talking about.

[blindzebra]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Am I wrong in remembering that you have argued repeatedly that we should be aware of what's happening outside our own areas? I'm trying to recall the phrase you used, something like "see globally, call locally" or something like that.

Though the conversation has gotten sidetracked a bit, I don't think he's arguing for ball watching. I think he's arguing that there are times when we can and should help our partner with a call in our partner's area. But he feels that some partners' "No Fishing Allowed" policy is sometimes counterproductive and gets in the way when an official should help his partner.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my sense of what he's really talking about.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that there is never an instance where calling out of your primary is not only okay, but the correct thing to do.

But what is being suggested is that partners sometimes go fishing for guppies, when the catch needs to be a great white.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Am I wrong in remembering that you have argued repeatedly that we should be aware of what's happening outside our own areas? I'm trying to recall the phrase you used, something like "see globally, call locally" or something like that.

Though the conversation has gotten sidetracked a bit, I don't think he's arguing for ball watching. I think he's arguing that there are times when we can and should help our partner with a call in our partner's area. But he feels that some partners' "No Fishing Allowed" policy is sometimes counterproductive and gets in the way when an official should help his partner.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my sense of what he's really talking about.

You can ask anyone here; you definitely have me wrong about that one! I don't even know who you got that globally stuff from. Thanks for the laugh!

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by tomegun

This is funny! He is actually arguing for ball watching.

Actually it's more sad than funny. I'm amazed at the number of people that try to rationalize away their "ball-watching" by using the old "get the call right" excuse. Maybe it would be easier to just reverse the 2-man mechanics to keep 'em happy. The Trail takes everything below the foul line extended on his side including the lane, and the Lead takes everything about it. That's basically what they're advocating anyway.

I'm also kinda interested in understanding the logic behind why an official 20 feet away from a trainwreck has a much better view of it than an official 6 feet away from it.

Please note that I'm not talking about the very odd time that you should reach and help out your partner. These situations just don't come up that often. I'm talking about ball watching, the same as you, which is exactly what David Rinke et al are advocating.