Coverage Areas

[drinkeii]

But also, on the other hand, if a second person is watching where the active play is (which is more likely to be around the ball in soccer, where in basketball, a lot of the active play is away from the ball), you are more likely to catch things where one official is screened from something, and all of the spectators are not.

No perfect answer - except for having a set of officials like football - 7 on the field at a time - don't think we'll ever get that in soccer or basketball... "Here's your Primary Area - make sure you call only in your three square feet of court space!" - Haha

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

But also, on the other hand, if a second person is watching where the active play is (which is more likely to be around the ball in soccer, where in basketball, a lot of the active play is away from the ball), you are more likely to catch things where one official is screened from something, and all of the spectators are not.

That is exactly the purpose of the the DSC. The center and the leading AR always try to box in the play. The center has the primary responsibility for the fouls, but the AR helps and the AR has the primary responsibility for offside and ball out of play, but the center helps. The trailing AR watches the players behind the centers back and away from the immediate area of play. This is why it is a superior system to the dual. In the dual you have to sacrifice something. I would rather sacrifice the one or two missed calls a game that are going to happen when the primary referee gets screened out or just misses the call, than the horrendous elbow/kick/punch behind the play. The game can survive if the first is missed, but not the second. You will have a major incident.

Originally Posted by drinkeii

No perfect answer - except for having a set of officials like football - 7 on the field at a time - don't think we'll ever get that in soccer or basketball... "Here's your Primary Area - make sure you call only in your three square feet of court space!" - Haha

Yes, the more referees is better. That is why FIFA has gone to FOUR and the WC actually had FIVE this time around. In addition to the 4th official between the benches, there was a spare AR lurking around.
The NFHS needs to come out of the dark ages and ban the dual system. Make three the minimum.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

That is exactly the purpose of the the DSC. The center and the leading AR always try to box in the play. The center has the primary responsibility for the fouls, but the AR helps and the AR has the primary responsibility for offside and ball out of play, but the center helps. The trailing AR watches the players behind the centers back and away from the immediate area of play. This is why it is a superior system to the dual. In the dual you have to sacrifice something. I would rather sacrifice the one or two missed calls a game that are going to happen when the primary referee gets screened out or just misses the call, than the horrendous elbow/kick/punch behind the play. The game can survive if the first is missed, but not the second. You will have a major incident.

We don't do the 3 whistle system, except in playoffs around here. It is always dual. Even the playoffs, it is 3 equal officials, who rotate through all three positions, switching at an opportune time approximately 1/3 and 2/3 of the way through the game. Having never worked in a R + 2 AR's system, I think I would like the fact that offsides would be easier to watch, but have trouble with having a foul, and not being able to call it because the R has to be the one who does.



Yes, the more referees is better. That is why FIFA has gone to FOUR and the WC actually had FIVE this time around. In addition to the 4th official between the benches, there was a spare AR lurking around.
The NFHS needs to come out of the dark ages and ban the dual system. Make three the minimum.

Sounds nice - don't see this happening in our area... What is the purpose of a 4th official between the benches?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Sounds nice - don't see this happening in our area... What is the purpose of a 4th official between the benches?

He handles all the substitutes, keeps the coaches and other bench personnel in order, keeps a record of the match (who scored the goals and when + which players received cards and when), and watches for misconduct out of the view of the Referee and ARs.

Even US Youth Regionals and Youth Nationals now use 4th officials. NV even has started using them at the State Cup tournament.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

We don't do the 3 whistle system, except in playoffs around here. It is always dual. Even the playoffs, it is 3 equal officials, who rotate through all three positions, switching at an opportune time approximately 1/3 and 2/3 of the way through the game.

I would say that your local HS referees need to band together and tell the schools that they want the change. They can actually force it, if they are strong enough.

Originally Posted by drinkeii

Having never worked in a R + 2 AR's system, I think I would like the fact that offsides would be easier to watch, but have trouble with having a foul, and not being able to call it because the R has to be the one who does.

You CAN signal fouls with your flag, but the center has the final say. He can wave off the ARs. The ARs are only supposed to call fouls in their quadrant. A big triangle that covers from the nearest goal post to the corner flag to midfield in that ARs corner. The AR is not supposed to be watching for fouls out of that area.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

I would say that your local HS referees need to band together and tell the schools that they want the change. They can actually force it, if they are strong enough.

I doubt that we'd be able to - it was a multi-year constant push to get 3 refs for HS varsity basketball, and the schools kept refusing to pay for it.


You CAN signal fouls with your flag, but the center has the final say. He can wave off the ARs. The ARs are only supposed to call fouls in their quadrant. A big triangle that covers from the nearest goal post to the corner flag to midfield in that ARs corner. The AR is not supposed to be watching for fouls out of that area.

So you actually can't call fouls - if the R decides he doesn't want to call it, or didn't see it and doesn't want to take the word of the AR, no foul. You're just an extra set of eyes without the ability to actually make the call yourself. It would just be difficult for me to get used to.