Just because nobody else has mentioned it

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

...the Lakers won championships, but Kobe was an a$$...

Can you tell me what Kobe did that makes him an a$$?

If anything, we should feel sorry for Kobe. His upbringing may have caused him to have problems relating to people. It might not be he is an a$$, he might not know what to say to people.

Let me counter a few things before they are brought up.

1. If someone assumes the Kobe-Shaq feud was all Kobe's fault they are easily duped. Kobe and Buss realized Shaq needed to let Kobe be the man at this point in his career. Well, he did that in Miami and look how that turned out. Alonzo Mourning might have won finals MVP before Shaq! Also, Phil Jackson told Shaq he was a fat a$$ and his feelings got hurt. Pat Riley says the same thing and he loses weight. Shaq is a jolly big man and all, but in reality he may have some growing up to do.
2. If you believe the Colorado mess...

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tomegun

2. If you believe the Colorado mess...

Are you saying that you DON"T believe the Colorado mess??? Wow...he fools around with another woman, gets caught (whether it was rape or not is up in the air) and buys his wife something like a million bucks worth of jewelry to "make up for it"...but he's not an a$$???

[tomegun]

OK, you got me (isn't that the second time in a week?), he is an a$$ for cheating on his wife. Oh, and he is a dumb a$$ for marrying her in the first place - but that is another subject.
Does the public view other players like Jordan as a$$ for doing the same thing. It is wrong, we don't have an argument about that. I just don't think the fact that Kobe cheated on his wife is the reason people consider him an a$$.

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by tomegun

OK, you got me (isn't that the second time in a week?), he is an a$$ for cheating on his wife. Oh, and he is a dumb a$$ for marrying her in the first place - but that is another subject.
Does the public view other players like Jordan as a$$ for doing the same thing. It is wrong, we don't have an argument about that. I just don't think the fact that Kobe cheated on his wife is the reason people consider him an a$$.

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but that's why I consider Kobe an a$$...and I consider Jordan an a$$ for cheating on his wife and for all the gambling he does/did...they are both very talented a$$es, but still a$$es!!

I think Kobe does himself in with some of the public comments he makes - like most of these moron "superstars" who only want to talk about themselves or how much better they are than the other moron "superstars"...Iverson is the same way...

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Can't speak for anyone but myself, but that's why I consider Kobe an a$$...and I consider Jordan an a$$ for cheating on his wife and for all the gambling he does/did...they are both very talented a$$es, but still a$$es!!

I think Kobe does himself in with some of the public comments he makes - like most of these moron "superstars" who only want to talk about themselves or how much better they are than the other moron "superstars"...Iverson is the same way...

Interesting comments. I think fans place these guys on a pedestal and expect more than they get. What is the difference between Kobe and someone who is an expert landscaper? One can play basketball well and the other can do landscaping well. Why should I expect the one who plays basketball to say something profound when a microphone is shoved in their face? When did the ability to shoot a basketball include the ability to have moral standards? That is what the rest of us, well some of us, would like to think, but it isn't the case.
I remember when Kevin Garnett was drafted. He could barely put a sentence together. That did not hinder him from playing the game though.
Kobe is no more an a$$ than the mailman who is getting some on the side. Our society just looks in the wrong place for values. Parents and teachers should be more responsible. I firmly believe that all teachers' salary should get doubled at least. That way, bad teachers would be forced out and good teachers would want to teach. Our society would benefit from it! My opinion and my two cents.

[LarryS]

I have a whole other take of the "a$$" issue. I couldn't care less what an entertainer (be it an actor/actress on the big or small screen or professional athlete) does or says away from their profession. If they are part of an entertainment event that I want to spend money to see...I go...in not, I stay home.

You see, in some ways most people would be considered an a$$ by someone. I don't put them on a pedestal and always told my children not to get caught up in that. I taught my kids right and wrong when they were growing up...and reinforce that every chance I get (they are 24 and 18). I will say that both admit to having several role models...me, my wife, her parents and my father. Other than those, I have never heard either of them say they wanted to emulate anyone else.

Entertainer and athletes are human and will make mistakes...and like most other groups of people...there will be some that are alive simply because it is against the law to kill them.

[agmattbballref]

I have had the opportunity to watch a couple of nba games and preseason games, if for nothing else an opportunity to watch the officials....probably the main reason for watching. I have been impressed with the modified officiating stance the officials seem to be taking this season. It seems that they are more consistent with calling violations for traveling and illegal dribbles and there seems to be more consistent calls in regards to blocks where defensive players are not being allowed to flop or being required to establish legal guarding position in order to get the offensive calls....of course it is early in the season and my opinions are based on watching some part of a total of three games. I was just wondering if anyone else had noticed these trends.

[tomegun]

Originally Posted by LarryS

I have a whole other take of the "a$$" issue. I couldn't care less what an entertainer (be it an actor/actress on the big or small screen or professional athlete) does or says away from their profession. If they are part of an entertainment event that I want to spend money to see...I go...in not, I stay home.

You see, in some ways most people would be considered an a$$ by someone. I don't put them on a pedestal and always told my children not to get caught up in that. I taught my kids right and wrong when they were growing up...and reinforce that every chance I get (they are 24 and 18). I will say that both admit to having several role models...me, my wife, her parents and my father. Other than those, I have never heard either of them say they wanted to emulate anyone else.

Entertainer and athletes are human and will make mistakes...and like most other groups of people...there will be some that are alive simply because it is against the law to kill them.

IMO, if everyone did what you just said we would all be better off.