Airborne A1 Passes instead of Shooting...

[deecee]

i dont understand this question? whether he fouls as an airborne shooter or airborn passer doesn't change anything...its an offensive (team control) foul

-- i know the stickler for the rule will say that since the shooter released the ball then TC ended then he comes crashing down on the defender so do you cann Offensive (TC) with no fould shots or do you say after the shot so therefore common foul with free throws if in bonus.

but in application I have NEVER seen this -- this has always been treated as PC in the past and I don't see why it is different now.

however since TC did end on a shot i guess defense would be entitled to free throws in bonus. I can see that argument but I cannot agree with that and I doubt I would call it as such as I would consider the player to be liable to the TC until he returns to the floor any contact after that wether or not a foul would be asessed as such as a common foul.

[Nevadaref]

deecee,
It would make a difference in an NCAA mens game.
There is team control when A1 fouled if he passed the ball. There is no team control if he released a try for goal and then foul on the way down.
In the first case, no FTs are awarded. In the second, Team B would be awarded the bonus FTs if this is the 7th team foul or more of the half because the NCAA mens rules do NOT include a foul by an airborne shooter in the definition of a player control foul.


For NFHS it is purely a definitional distinction. The first is a team control foul, while the second is a player control foul. No FTs are awarded in either case.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

deecee,
It would make a difference in an NCAA mens game.
There is team control when A1 fouled if he passed the ball. There is no team control if he released a try for goal and then foul on the way down.
In the first case, no FTs are awarded. In the second, Team B would be awarded the bonus FTs if this is the 7th team foul or more of the half because the NCAA mens rules do NOT include a foul by an airborne shooter in the definition of a player control foul.


For NFHS it is purely a definitional distinction. The first is a team control foul, while the second is a player control foul. No FTs are awarded in either case.

Good explanation Nevadaref...but, do you know of a reference that could be used for this specific sitch. Again, I realize that this is a TC foul...just looking for a specific reference for this specific situation. The case book play I quoted...does not have A1 as an airborne player....A1 has just ended a dribble and then passed and crashed...close enough, I suppose.

Also, after further review...I think our big discussion wasn't about A1 airborne shooter fouling...but, B1 fouling A1 who had changed his mind and passed, instead of shooting, when he saw that he was going to be fouled.

JRut and deecee...the question may be confusing or hard to understand...but, Tjones is correct...it is right out of the NFHS Part 1 Exam for 2006-07.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

JRut and deecee...the question may be confusing or hard to understand...but, Tjones is correct...it is right out of the NFHS Part 1 Exam for 2006-07.

What I do not understand is why you are confused about the difference between an airborne shooter (which clearly has a definition in the rulebook) and a player that is airborne but is passing the ball. The casebook play you described covered this clearly and would answer the question on the test. I was just confused why you were confused with the information you quoted.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

Good explanation Nevadaref...but, do you know of a reference that could be used for this specific sitch.

Just remember the definition.

Rule 4 Definitions
SECTION 1 AIRBORNE SHOOTER
ART. 1 . . . An airborne shooter is a player who has released the ball on a try for a goal or has tapped the ball and has not returned to the floor.


An airborne player who elects to pass the ball doesn't meet the definition of an airborne shooter. Also, since this player has passed the ball prior to the foul he no longer has player control. Therefore, he cannot commit a player control foul.

4-19-6 . . . A player-control foul is a common foul committed by a player while he/she is in control of the ball or by an airborne shooter.

[RookieDude]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

What I do not understand is why you are confused about the difference between an airborne shooter (which clearly has a definition in the rulebook) and a player that is airborne but is passing the ball. The casebook play you described covered this clearly and would answer the question on the test. I was just confused why you were confused with the information you quoted.

Peace

Fair enough...it's just that a couple of my officiating buddies and I were sitting around discussing some of the questions (since our test is open book and used for studying instead of any kind of placement in our association)...we were just wondering if there was a specific case play...probably just have "to much time on our hands".....Dan, now I have a tune in my head...who sings that? Is it Styx?

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by RookieDude

...probably just have "too much time on our hands".....

[Chess Ref]

I saw Styx twice last year. Once as an opener for REO, then as the headliner with Peter Frampton as the opener....