Things that make you go hmmmmm...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

So does anyone have any of these tests online? If so, can someone please reply with a link so we can all do some prep-work before the season starts?

thanks

These tests aren't prep work, per se. They are the actual test that is required to be passed for certification in some states.

If you needed to pass a college exam to get a credit, do you really think that exam paper should be put on-line and shared before the exam? Somehow, I don't think the university would think much of that idea.

[Mwanr1]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

These tests aren't prep work, per se. They are the actual test that is required to be passed for certification in some states.

If you needed to pass a college exam to get a credit, do you really think that exam paper should be put on-line and shared before the exam? Somehow, I don't think the university would think much of that idea.

What about L-Sat classes or S.A.T. classes? They have sample questions too, correct? Why not for our tests then??

I also think all University courses should have mandatory sample tests available online for students to use as a study guide. This way, everyone can use these sample tests to study and learn from it. Think about it, the students still have to read, study, and remember the questions.

So if these sample tests can help students score higher on their test thus receiving a higher grade – then why not? This should be the same for officiating. We are all here to better ourselves. So if there are sample questions from the past, why can't we use it to study?

OFFICIATING, however is competitive, so I wouldn't be surprise why people choose to keep such info to themselves....it's just a cruel industry!

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

I also think all University courses should have mandatory sample tests available online for students to use as a study guide. This way, everyone can use these sample tests to study and learn from it. Think about it, the students still have to read, study, and remember the questions.

Brilliant idea. Because, after all, life is a neverceasing series of one test question after another. And if we can just remember all those questions on those sample tests, we'll all be wildly successful and prosperous.

But wait, my boss and my wife and my kids keep asking me questions that were never on any test I ever took in college. And then there are all the daily challenges and problems that we never talked about in class.

Good think I actually learned how to learn and think and solve problems instead of worrying about what questions might be on a test. I mean, I'd hate to end up like the complete ****ing idiots in the back of the classroom who were always asking, "Will this be on the test?"

But perhaps I'm being too harsh. After all, every society needs people to collect the garbage.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Brilliant idea. Because, after all, life is a neverceasing series of one test question after another. And if we can just remember all those questions on those sample tests, we'll all be wildly successful and prosperous.

But wait, my boss and my wife and my kids keep asking me questions that were never on any test I ever took in college. And then there are all the daily challenges and problems that we never talked about in class.

Good think I actually learned how to learn and think and solve problems instead of worrying about what questions might be on a test. I mean, I'd hate to end up like the complete ****ing idiots in the back of the classroom who were always asking, "Will this be on the test?"

But perhaps I'm being too harsh. After all, every society needs people to collect the garbage.

Maybe you're being too harsh because you have deluded yourself into believing that tests in school are the same as the tests we see in real life. When your boss/wife/kid asks you a question do they lock you in a room & expect you to come up with an answer all by your self? I doubt it.

And btw, anybody who would say "every society needs people to collect the garbage" is a elitist prick. Sad to be you.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

And btw, anybody who would say "every society needs people to collect the garbage" is a elitist prick. Sad to be you.

The guys that collect the garbage can make a lot of money with great benefits.

I do understand where you are coming from though.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by BITS

Because, after all, life is a neverceasing series of one test question after another. And if we can just remember all those questions on those sample tests, we'll all be wildly successful and prosperous.

But wait, my boss and my wife and my kids keep asking me questions that were never on any test I ever took in college. And then there are all the daily challenges and problems that we never talked about in class.

Good think I actually learned how to learn and think and solve problems instead of worrying about what questions might be on a test. I mean, I'd hate to end up like the complete ****ing idiots in the back of the classroom who were always asking, "Will this be on the test?"

But perhaps I'm being too harsh. After all, every society needs people to collect the garbage.

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Maybe you're being too harsh because you have deluded yourself into believing that tests in school are the same as the tests we see in real life. When your boss/wife/kid asks you a question do they lock you in a room & expect you to come up with an answer all by your self? I doubt it.

And btw, anybody who would say "every society needs people to collect the garbage" is a elitist prick. Sad to be you.

http://www.bullochrec.com/Images/Cli...es/popcorn.jpg

doggone it, it's supposed to be a picture of some popcorn. Somebody help this poor old techno-clueless granny, please!

[JRutledge]

Here you go.

Peace

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Here you go.

Peace

Thanks, Jeff. You can have some, too, if you don't mind the salt.

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Wwwhhhheeeeeee---- eeewwwwwwww!!! I go out for groceries, and come back to find two of my favorite people tearing out hair, and poking out eyes!!

Jeff, now that I've got the hang of this popcorn thing, how about you join me in egging these guys on, eh? Anybody else? Don't forget that I bought it with salt....

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Maybe you're being too harsh because you have deluded yourself into believing that tests in school are the same as the tests we see in real life. When your boss/wife/kid asks you a question do they lock you in a room & expect you to come up with an answer all by your self? I doubt it.

And btw, anybody who would say "every society needs people to collect the garbage" is a elitist prick. Sad to be you.

And that is my point. Life is all "story problems and essay questions." It in no way resembles college exams. But in every college class I ever took there was a group in the back who were constantly whining, "Is this going to be on the test?". Sadly it is a predictably mindless reaction to an evironment that places too much emphasis on the worthless ability re-profess what the professor has professed. The last thing we want our universities to do is further reinforce the notion that answering test questions is what's important. That's my issue with Mwanr1's statement.

As for being locked in a room and left to solve problems, of course not. And what's more, often those problems have no well-known answers. Not only does a person need the ability to solve novel problems, but also the ability to evaluate their solutions to see if they really are solutions. And never once has the answer to a real problem been:

D) A and B, never C.

And rarely in real life has guessing "C" when I didn't know an answer work out well.

As for being an elitist prick: Every society needs a healthy supply of skilled and unskilled laborers. If all of the computer geeks and garbage collectors took the month off, there's no doubt which group would be missed most. However, just because a job is necessary, and honorable, doesn't make it desireable. People go to college so they don't have to collect garbage to pay the bills.

It's good to be me.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

And that is my point. Life is all "story problems and essay questions." It in no way resembles college exams. But in every college class I ever took there was a group in the back who were constantly whining, "Is this going to be on the test?".

Ahhh...the ability to focus on the keys to success is a bad thing now. Interesting. I find in my real life job if you can't get what the critical factors are and focus and execute on them then you are ****ed.

Maybe your job allows you the latitude to spend half your time navel gazing. Good for you.

People go to college so they don't have to collect garbage to pay the bills.

It's good to be me.

I did mention your views are those of an elitist prick, didn't I? Yeah I think I did.

Anyways...*going* to college don't mean sh1t. Even if you are you.

You gotta graduate. And you don't graduate unless you know what's gonna be on the finals. And the mere act of graduating doesn't mean you're better than a garbage collector or a computer programmer. It just means you had the ways & means & knew how to play the game.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Ahhh...the ability to focus on the keys to success is a bad thing now. Interesting. I find in my real life job if you can't get what the critical factors are and focus and execute on them then you are ****ed.

Maybe your job allows you the latitude to spend half your time navel gazing. Good for you.



I did mention your views are those of an elitist prick, didn't I? Yeah I think I did.

Anyways...*going* to college don't mean sh1t. Even if you are you.

You gotta graduate. And you don't graduate unless you know what's gonna be on the finals. And the mere act of graduating doesn't mean you're better than a garbage collector or a computer programmer. It just means you had the ways & means & knew how to play the game.

The keys to success? It depends on whether you consider graduation to be the end goal, or a step towards the end goal. If you look at college as preperation for career and a fuller, richer life, then an attitude of "I don't want to have to think about this unless it's going to be on a test" is a pretty poor way to prepare.

If you're in a science/technical major, you have no way of knowing while you're in college which bits of knowledge will be important and relevant after college. So being unwilling to spend time on concepts that won't be on the test is doing yourself a disservice. Not to mention, the concepts tend to build on each other so you gotta know A to learn B, even if A isn't on the test.

If you're in a more liberal arts major, the only really useful thing it's going to teach you is how to think and learn. And if you spend all four years dodging the thinking part on the pretext that this or that concept won't be on a test, you're selling yourself short.

If your job is like most I've had, yes, you have to know what the critical success factors are. You also have to know what the unspoken success factors are. You also have to be able think, learn, adapt, sometimes tap dance, and generally do whatever it takes to deliver on the critical success factors. In a world where jobs and roles and responsibilities shift rapidly, the idiot who came out of college with the attitude of "is this going to be on the test," will soon find his job has passed him by. YMMV

As for being an elitist prick, so be it. I look at it as being a realist. But I guess that wasn't on the final.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

And that is my point. Life is all "story problems and essay questions." It in no way resembles college exams. But in every college class I ever took there was a group in the back who were constantly whining, "Is this going to be on the test?". Sadly it is a predictably mindless reaction to an evironment that places too much emphasis on the worthless ability re-profess what the professor has professed. The last thing we want our universities to do is further reinforce the notion that answering test questions is what's important. That's my issue with Mwanr1's statement.

As for being locked in a room and left to solve problems, of course not. And what's more, often those problems have no well-known answers. Not only does a person need the ability to solve novel problems, but also the ability to evaluate their solutions to see if they really are solutions. And never once has the answer to a real problem been:

D) A and B, never C.

And rarely in real life has guessing "C" when I didn't know an answer work out well.

As for being an elitist prick: Every society needs a healthy supply of skilled and unskilled laborers. If all of the computer geeks and garbage collectors took the month off, there's no doubt which group would be missed most. However, just because a job is necessary, and honorable, doesn't make it desireable. People go to college so they don't have to collect garbage to pay the bills.

It's good to be me.

You want fries with that?

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You want fries with that?

LOL. No, I'm an elitist prick. I never flipped burgers. I worked in pizza joints.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mwanr1

What about L-Sat classes or S.A.T. classes? They have sample questions too, correct? Why not for our tests then??

These aren't sample questions that we're talking about. We're talking about the actual exam. Heckuva difference.