2 T's on me?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

JR,

He is saying what has worked for him. Obviously it is has been successful for him.

And I'm saying that the opposite has worked for me..... and if it worked for me, then just as obviously my method was successful for me also.

Or were implying something else?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And I'm saying that the opposite has worked for me..... and if it worked for me, then just as obviously it was successful for me also.

Or are you also saying that Zeke's opinion has to be right because he is an NCAA D1 official?

Is not most of this discussion based on each of our opinion? I do not know anything we have talked about in this thread that did not deal with an opinion.

I would agree that a D1 official in itself does not make their opinion right, but it sure means they have a little more credibility with me and many others that are reading this than someone who is not on the level.

I do not think right or wrong is an issue. After all we are talking opinion.

Peace

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Is not most of this discussion based on each of our opinion? I do not know anything we have talked about in this thread that did not deal with an opinion.

I would agree that a D1 official in itself does not make their opinion right, but it sure means they have a little more credibility with me and many others that are reading this than someone who is not on the level.

I do not think right or wrong is an issue. After all we are talking opinion.

Well, that's interesting.

Does that also mean that Chuck's opinion should have more credibility than yours now if Chuck does some D1 games this year, which is a real possibility? And Tony's opinion should have more credibility than yours because he's worked state finals in 2 sports and you haven't? And Zeke's opinion is always right...say...compared to Mick or BobJ's opinion?

I'll haveta remember that enlightened logic the next time that you and Chuck get into it.

And how do you know that some of the other opinion-givers on this forum aren't D1 officials also if they don't broadcast their resumes?

I do agree with this thread being nothing but personal opinion though.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, that's interesting.

Does that also mean that Chuck's opinion should have more credibility than yours now if Chuck does some D1 games this year, which is a real possibility? And Tony's opinion should have more credibility than yours because he's worked state finals in 2 sports and you haven't? And Zeke's opinion is always right...say...compared to Mick or BobJ's opinion?

geeze...I never get included in these lists...

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

geeze...I never get included in these lists...

And Dan's opinion should be more credible because...well....he's Dan.

And never the twain shall meet....

Even on the twain twack....

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And Dan's opinion should be more credible because...well....he's Dan.

And never the twain shall meet....

Even on the twain twack....

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

geeze...I never get included in these lists...

And I shouldn't be included. I'm such an idiot. LOL. (This is an inside joke that only Dan understands. Although I'm sure most people here knew that I'm an idiot.)

[mick]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And Zeke's opinion is always right...say...compared to Mick....

Absolutely !

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

Well, that's interesting.

Does that also mean that Chuck's opinion should have more credibility than yours now if Chuck does some D1 games this year, which is a real possibility? And Tony's opinion should have more credibility than yours because he's worked state finals in 2 sports and you haven't? And Zeke's opinion is always right...say...compared to Mick or BobJ's opinion?

That is up to the people that read this board. I cannot speak for others that read this board. I would say if Chuck did get there and stayed there, it would add a lot to his how I view him. Partly because I have some idea of what it takes to get there. If you are a D1 official, someone is putting their job on the line to hire you. It is not like supervisors just put someone in place that has not earned some trust and proven on some level they can do the job.

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And how do you know that some of the other opinion-givers on this forum aren't D1 officials also if they don't broadcast their resumes?

So do you want a guy that works D1 only to talk about the JH or JV games they work? I also did not read where Zeke said, "I am a D1 official and you are not." I think he stated he works that level and a certain technique seems to work for him. I have heard guys broadcast they worked State Finals and I do not see the same point of view made when that has taken place (and it happens much more often). At least a D1 official beat about thousands of officials for that one slot. He has my respect even if I would feel that he was not a better official than others here.

Peace

[icallfouls]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

That is up to the people that read this board. I cannot speak for others that read this board. I would say if Chuck did get there and stayed there, it would add a lot to his how I view him. Partly because I have some idea of what it takes to get there. If you are a D1 official, someone is putting their job on the line to hire you. It is not like supervisors just put someone in place that has not earned some trust and proven on some level they can do the job.



So do you want a guy that works D1 only to talk about the JH or JV games they work? I also did not read where Zeke said, "I am a D1 official and you are not." I think he stated he works that level and a certain technique seems to work for him. I have heard guys broadcast they worked State Finals and I do not see the same point of view made when that has taken place (and it happens much more often). At least a D1 official beat about thousands of officials for that one slot. He has my respect even if I would feel that he was not a better official than others here.

Peace

Let's not forget that some referees get/don't get D1 contracts/opportunities because of where they live. I have personally had this very conversation with a D1 assignor. There are some officials that aren't particularly great that get jobs and others that are better that don't for this reason alone. I personally have also worked with referees who have strong ties to assignors that get jobs because they are loyal to that person, not because they are the best referee available. I don't necessarily think that this makes a referee more credible.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by icallfouls

Let's not forget that some referees get/don't get D1 contracts/opportunities because of where they live. I have personally had this very conversation with a D1 assignor. There are some officials that aren't particularly great that get jobs and others that are better that don't for this reason alone. I personally have also worked with referees who have strong ties to assignors that get jobs because they are loyal to that person, not because they are the best referee available. I don't necessarily think that this makes a referee more credible.

There are a lot of factors as to why people do not get a shot at the Division 1 level. Even with those small factors, it is not like the average official is going to get that kind of opportunity.

You show me someone that is hired at any job, I will show you someone who is just as qualified but did not get the same opportunity. It is a myth in this world that the "most qualified" get all the jobs. That is not true in any job in or outside of officiating. And when you get a D1 official that has finally made it, they are scrutinized on a level most of us would not be able to handle.

I know when I work my games; no one is telling me what I did right or wrong, every trip up and down the floor. I might only hear about something when I mess up or if a coach complains. It is a completely different level of scrutiny that does that and many of the best officials would not be able to handle that.

Peace

[REFVA]

I'm going to open myself for some criticism, but here we go. Everyone on this thread brings value. Yes some people due judge what others may say or comments they make. Some of us may come across as they are better than others. I think we are dealing with ego and the way we may respond may be interpreted differently than what was meant. (I know Chuck is going to correct my grammar that's ok) Just like the rules as much as some are clear cut some are left to interpretation and can be interpreted differently. We all bring a lot of experience (except me only 6 years) and we all won't agree with each other. I found this thread to be a place where I can share or learn something without being judged. I bet more people would possible share but are afraid to because someone is going to jump (over the back ) get joke. So there!!!!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

And I'm saying that the opposite has worked for me..... and if it worked for me, then just as obviously my method was successful for me also.

Or were implying something else?

I'm just saying from what I read Zeke wasn't imposing his thoughts or experiences as being "the right and only way" nor that his experiences as a D1 officials were anymore relevant than anyone else's experiences.

I have met "Zeke" at a camp and he is very approachable and open for discussion and/or debate.

From my own personal experiences and from reading what "Zeke" has posted here, I do not see the "I'm right because I'm a D1 official" attitude that you attribute to "Zeke". JMHO.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I'm just saying from what I read Zeke wasn't imposing his thoughts or experiences as being "the right and only way" nor that his experiences as a D1 officials were anymore relevant than anyone else's experiences.

I have met "Zeke" at a camp and he is very approachable and open for discussion and/or debate.

From my own personal experiences and from reading what "Zeke" has posted here, I do not see the "I'm right because I'm a D1 official" attitude that you attribute to "Zeke". JMHO.

BadsNews, if you look back, the exact quote from Zeke was "Don't question my handling of coaches", followed by his resume. If you think that isn't imposing his thoughts or experiences, so be it. Personally, I can't see any other way to interpret it.

JMHO too.