First varsity game..

[btaylor64]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Regardless of whether or not the coach is rating you, I would reply with short informative phrases. Not even whole sentences. "No travel till the pivot comes back down, Coach". "Incidental contact on that screen, Coach." If the coach persists, you have other ways of dealing with it.

I don't necessarily like this approach. I feel that you should keep your answers brief. Brief is an ambigious(sp?) amount of time, but if you say short, I don't like that for the plain fact that coaches will think you are being just that, short, with them. Now I haven't heard the tone you are using with these short quips and that could change my mind, but I would rather leave interpretation plays alone. If the coach wants to whine about it while you are still on that end of the floor, let him/her. If you have a moment during a dead ball while the ball is still on that end. Be BRIEF and explain what you SAW (don't say "she caused the contact" or "I thought she caused the contact" One sounds cocky and the other sounds like you are unsure of yourself). If you go to the other end and come back and he is still on you, then something has to be addressed.

I am the opposite of CLH in regards to giving Technicals as he progressed. I came into the game not wanting to give anyone a T. Then I went to my first camp which was ran by NBA officials, and so I developed their philosophy, which is much different from the college guys. For example, If a college coach is off his rocker, going crazy and is getting his butt kicked, the college guys say you should not T him and let him ride it out and take his beating like a man. If a NBA coach is doing the same thing, the NBA guys say don't let him mess with your game and try to screw it up. Whack him and send him. I am considered the hothead of my group as well, but my partners love it cause they know I am going to handle the business part of the game and they can just sit back and relax.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

Brief is an ambigious(sp?) amount of time, but if you say short, I don't like that for the plain fact that coaches will think you are being just that, short, with them. Now I haven't heard the tone you are using with these short quips and that could change my mind, but I would rather leave interpretation plays alone.

When it comes to being short with a coach, Chuck doesn't really have a choice.

[btaylor64]

That's just not right Jurassic. A total low blow. If I thought of it first I would have put "no pun intended" in my post.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

That's just not right Jurassic. A total low blow.

Well, where Chuck is involved, it pretty well has to be a low blow.

He has to stand on a chair to kick a duck in the azz.

[Ref_ Fred]

Whining is acceptable?

Maybe to you, not to me. I ain't gonna let a coach whine for very long.

Absolutely, let him whine all he wants. I'll even give him cheese with that whine. As long as they are respectable let him whine. I'll continue to do my job to the best of my ability. You sound like the hitler of basketball officials. I bet you like hearing your whistle becuase it gives you satisfaction. Keep the game flowing, he will realize that whinning is not going to help him coach his team. If he gets out of control ..... Whackkkkkkkk, I've been doing this long enough and have respect of the coaches, administration,and officials. They know my tolerance and how much they will get away with. this comes with time and experience.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Ref_ Fred

Absolutely, let him whine all he wants. I'll even give him cheese with that whine. As long as they are respectable let him whine. I'll continue to do my job to the best of my ability. You sound like the hitler of basketball officials. I bet you like hearing your whistle becuase it gives you satisfaction. Keep the game flowing, he will realize that whinning is not going to help him coach his team. If he gets out of control ..... Whackkkkkkkk, I've been doing this long enough and have respect of the coaches, administration,and officials. They know my tolerance and how much they will get away with. this comes with time and experience.

OK.....

I sound like a Hitler? Because I disagreed with you? Well, you sound like an official with no balls. But, then again, whatinthehell do I know? I certainly can't have the time and experience that you have, according to your post above, can I? It's six years of officiating time and experience btw, isn't it?

Hey, if you wanna let coaches whine at you continually, be my guest. That's your choice. I don't have to watch you, evaluate or assign you.....which kinda makes me happy too.

[Ref_ Fred]

sound like a Hitler? Well, you sound like an official with no balls. But, what do I know? I certainly can't have the time and experience that you have, according to your post above, can I? It's six years of experience btw, isn't it?

Hey, if you wanna let coaches whine at you continually, be my guest. That's your choice. I don't have to watch you, evaluate or assign you.....which kinda makes me happy too.
Today 12:35pm

My six year may be short in your eyes, but very sucessful. I am respected for my abilities by my peers, and the coaches. Yet your responses to everyone on the Threads has been so far from respectable and encouraging to any new official. Like I said maybe not hitler, but defenitley harsh you certainly have a chip on your shoulder and that may be due to your level of expereince. the only thing I am grateful for is that I don't have to work with you...Now I didn't pick this argument you did by your wise A$$ remarks, not only to me but from what I read to most. If I post it's for constructive remarks, just as the OP did.

[Brad]

Why do they let coaches rate officials?

Because coaches control the game -- at every level. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

[Jimgolf]

Originally Posted by Brad

Because coaches control the game -- at every level. You are kidding yourself if you think otherwise.

Except on The Official Forum, LOL

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I don't necessarily like this approach. I feel that you should keep your answers brief.

So you disagree with me b/c I said "short" instead of "brief", when I obviously meant "short" as a synonym for "brief"?

I guess if that's the worst critique I get, I'll be pretty happy. Sheesh.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

when I obviously meant "short" as a synonym for "brief"?

Nope, not gonna do it.

It's over-kill.