First varsity game..

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by btaylor64

I don't necessarily like this approach. I feel that you should keep your answers brief.

So you disagree with me b/c I said "short" instead of "brief", when I obviously meant "short" as a synonym for "brief"?

I guess if that's the worst critique I get, I'll be pretty happy. Sheesh.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

when I obviously meant "short" as a synonym for "brief"?

Nope, not gonna do it.

It's over-kill.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Sirrefalot

He again assures me that i do not know the rules. Question is this, how to you converse with a coach who is rating you, who really doesn't know the rules.

It really would depend on the system you are under. I work in a system where coaches can rate us and it really is not that big of a deal. Also if a coach thinks you messed up, it does not matter whether you think you were perfect, this is not going to change the coach's opinion. I would not spend any more time trying to convince a coach that can rate me as compared to an official that will not rate me. Just treat the coach the same way you would if he was not rating you. Even if the coach is not rating you, it is not like they could not complain or tell people you kicked a rule. In a system where there are no ratings, the coach’s word might hold more water. So do not get too caught up in the rating system. Worry about those things you can actually control.

Peace

[Ref_ Fred]

JRUT, Well said.. "Work on the things you have control over."...

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by Sirrefalot

Same as previous, newer official 3rd year. My question isn't about rules or interpetations, it about conversing with the coach. Three man I'm the C. right next to the coach. A1 bring ball up court, A2 comes from the block to the wing to set a pick for a1. B2 who is guarding a2 bumps her minor contact i thought but it made the screen move alittle and b1 runs into her. B's coach who is standing next to me says "you got to be kidding, you stood right there and let her throw an illegal screen." I told him politely that it was his player who caused the whole mess, there was no advantaged gain as the ball went out of bounds off of B. Coach B gets upset and starts reciting his unique version of the rule book. Ball changes direction and then quickly back. A1 then dribbles to same wing, and picks up dribble, pivots a few times and then pumps like she is going to pass the ball, however, her pivot foot comes up in the air and she balances on her front foot for about 3 seconds until she finally passes to a team mate. He goes bonkers again, wanting a travel. I explain that it is not a travel until she touchs her pivot foot down with the ball. He again assures me that i do not know the rules. Question is this, how to you converse with a coach who is rating you, who really doesn't know the rules.

BktBallRef's advice is sage. You need to strike that balance between being approachable but not letting a coach disrespect you or get into a situation where he/she is questioning everything. It's a fine line and takes years to master (and even then you will screw it up once in a while).

As far as coaches having input on ratings: I agree that it's out of your control but I also agree that it's just a horrible way to do things. I would hate to work in an area where coaches were allowed any input on official's ratings.

I have seen official's who were afraid to give a well-deserved T to a coach because of what he would do them in his rating. From what I have seen, it leads to much poorer enforcement of bench decorum.

Z

[blindmanwalking]

Originally Posted by Sirrefalot

Same as previous, newer official 3rd year. My question isn't about rules or interpetations, it about conversing with the coach. Three man I'm the C. right next to the coach. A1 bring ball up court, A2 comes from the block to the wing to set a pick for a1. B2 who is guarding a2 bumps her minor contact i thought but it made the screen move alittle and b1 runs into her. B's coach who is standing next to me says "you got to be kidding, you stood right there and let her throw an illegal screen." I told him politely that it was his player who caused the whole mess, there was no advantaged gain as the ball went out of bounds off of B. Coach B gets upset and starts reciting his unique version of the rule book. Ball changes direction and then quickly back. A1 then dribbles to same wing, and picks up dribble, pivots a few times and then pumps like she is going to pass the ball, however, her pivot foot comes up in the air and she balances on her front foot for about 3 seconds until she finally passes to a team mate. He goes bonkers again, wanting a travel. I explain that it is not a travel until she touchs her pivot foot down with the ball. He again assures me that i do not know the rules. Question is this, how to you converse with a coach who is rating you, who really doesn't know the rules.

Good no-call on the travel. When I first read this I was thinking it was a travel. I looked it up. Casebook 4.43.3 Situation C. Thanks for posting this.

Also, I agree that you can't worry about a coach's ratings. Just call the game and let the chips fall where they may.

[zeke]

Originally Posted by Sirrefalot

Same as previous, newer official 3rd year. My question isn't about rules or interpetations, it about conversing with the coach. Three man I'm the C. right next to the coach. A1 bring ball up court, A2 comes from the block to the wing to set a pick for a1. B2 who is guarding a2 bumps her minor contact i thought but it made the screen move alittle and b1 runs into her. B's coach who is standing next to me says "you got to be kidding, you stood right there and let her throw an illegal screen." I told him politely that it was his player who caused the whole mess, there was no advantaged gain as the ball went out of bounds off of B. Coach B gets upset and starts reciting his unique version of the rule book. Ball changes direction and then quickly back. A1 then dribbles to same wing, and picks up dribble, pivots a few times and then pumps like she is going to pass the ball, however, her pivot foot comes up in the air and she balances on her front foot for about 3 seconds until she finally passes to a team mate. He goes bonkers again, wanting a travel. I explain that it is not a travel until she touchs her pivot foot down with the ball. He again assures me that i do not know the rules. Question is this, how to you converse with a coach who is rating you, who really doesn't know the rules.

Here's a suggestion: you are breaking in and trying to establish some creditiblity with your peers, coaches and yourself. A big part of officiating is dealing with the sideline. As I said the coach has a job to do and you do too. You need to convey this to him. Also, not all conversation is heard. Especially doing a live ball. Now that being said, he says something about a screen and then a walk. You officiate the live ball. Then on the next deal ball opportunity say a t.o. that you grant you catch the coach and say coach I heard what you said about the screen, the walk and etc. I can't concentrate on you and the game to so please coach your team.
Or tell him you made your point I heard you and walk away.
Or coach I can't give a clinic here. You can't question everything. I'll be happy to explain something that is out of whack but not every play. And walk away.
The key is to treat him/her professionally, brief and concise. Long conversations will not benefit either party. Also, bottom line, treat him like you would want to be treated. Seriously.