Ron, you are completely mis-interpreting what Daryl is trying to tell you. Btw, I fully agree with Daryl.

Daryl said <i>"I accept the fact that some of you try to involve the coach, but let's face it, not <b>all</b> situations warrant that'</i>. The key word is "all". Neither of us ever said that you should <b>never</b> have a conversation with a coach. It's got nothing to do with old school vs. new school. It has got everything to do with disagreeing with you on when or why a coach actually should be approached.... i.e. the <b>actual</b> circumstances where or when a coach should be approached iow. That's where both Daryl and I disagree with you. Neither one of us would approach a coach at the time and under the circumstances that you are recommending.

As per his post, TrueRookie understood what Daryl and I were trying to say

I guess we aren't going to see eye to eye on this one, again.

I guess you could safely say "never". It's just a difference of <b>personal</b> philosophies, is all.

JR, I totally agree that we will always have philosophical differences, but this doesn't mean that we are right or wrong...just different.

Here's what TrueRookie says, sounds like NEVER to me:


I will handle the situation. I would not even attempt to giving a coach any opportunity to help me officiate the game that is my JOB!!

btw, here's what I hear coming out of your little spat, JR:

Ronref: This is a tool I sometimes use
JR: Wrong! This is a tool you should only use sometimes!
Ronref: Right, it should be done some of the time.
JR: Wrong! You should only do this some of the time!

As I said earlier, I can't see what the big deal is.

I ALWAYS think the coach should be an OPTION! At the high school and especially the college level coaches say the officials won't talk to me (communicate), when I use them to help out with a given situation I am just doing what they have been asking of us.

There is a difference between "always" and "sometimes", Dan.

It's true, it's true.....

What else is true is he said it's "always" an option. You know, as in "always" a choice.

Comminication is "always" an option. Whether you chose to take that option or not depends on many things. IOW "sometimes" you do, "sometimes" you don't.

Anything else?

I'm done eating lunch so I'll chime in quickly, not that anyone necessarily wants my opinion. Talking to coaches about sportsmanship can be a slippery slope. The coach may well agree with the player that you are stinking up the joint. I will use coaches to help with players, but only when I know them pretty well. Also, how come no one has brought up talking to other players, especially the captains, of the player's team. I'll occasionally say to another player, "take care of your teammate there before I have to." Also, instead of warning the player, catch them durning a free throw or sometime, and tell them they are way too good a player to spend the whole game whining. I've had success with that one. It is kind of a trial and error method to finding your game managment style. On a side note, this is a JV game, so why take so much crap from a kid. Warn him once, then take care of business. JV kids are there to learn to play at the varsity level, not evaluate officials.

I am all for talking to a player at a dead ball situation as you stated. I would like to use captains more but most of the time they are some of the worst offenders you have to deal with during the game.

Because they feel it's their "right" to speak to you, so they can say whatever they want.

It's not "always" a choice. It's "sometimes" a choice.

As that great rules pundit, Tiny, is wont to say- <i>"Don't be a garbageman."</i>

Well that's just stupid.

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Fort Ticonderoga Tiny or Chattanooga Tennessee Tiny?

In his case....plain ol' <font size = -4>"Tiny"</font>.

I like to talk to the players during freethrows I have told A1 that it may be a good idea for him to tell A2 that he needs to calm down that is after I have had a chance to talk to him to of course this is no where near any thing getting out of hand I sometimes will tell A1 to tell A2 that he needs to tuck his shirt that is when both can hear me I know some guys dont do that but it works for me sometimes it does and sometimes it dontwhen it doesnt I take care of it myself If I get the chance to talk to the coach I will but I dont go out of my way to talk to them about situations like that