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[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RonRef

I think we (referees) get in trouble when we let summer league/tournament games get out of control. We don't call enough fouls and we tend to be lazy, "it is just a summer league game." I applaud you for taking the approach you did. Where I live we work all our summer league games with three person crew and we also work on our mechanics and our overall officiating. Summer time basketball is a great time to work on your game and get better, not to screw off and look like jag.

I am going to have to partly disagree with you on this. You can call everything and games can get out of hand. Many summer leagues do not have the same rules or consequences involved. Summer leagues are a mixed bag of rules and expectations. Not all coaches approach the game the same and the players do not approach the game the same. I tend to call more during the summer and games still get out of hand. I think we need to stop thinking calling more is going to change the way players and coaches react. You can all everything and if a kid knows he is not going to foul out and realizes that no one will remember much of what happens during the summer, you still can have games get out of hand.

Peace

[deecee]

I completly disagree that we let summer games get out of control because we don't call enough fouls or get lazy. Like JR said most summer leauge coaches aren't real coaches -- they dont know squat about coaching or the game. Most kids are there just for participation and when the season starts 80% of them wont be on a HS team because they aren't that good.

Now some refs are just lazy but that is expected as they are just in it for the money -- however for most its not laziness thats the prolem its doing many games that just make it tiring. This last weekend I stretched myself out too thin (i usually dont work more than 3 games maybe 4 a day). But I had 4 games start at 8 and 3 start at 130 and i was 1 late for the 130 game and 2 almost dead because of these god darn Southern California gyms with no ventillation. The point is bad basketball cannot be made better with more foul calls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

The point is bad basketball cannot be made better with more foul calls.

But sometimes you have to make more foul calls just to keep a game under control.

Apples and oranges.... iow you can't make a hard-and-fast rule on how to call a game....summertime or any time...