Here is another situation

[RonRef]

Originally Posted by REFVA

After doing a game over the weekend and not handling it properly with the coach mouthing off. I took a different stance last night in the same age 14U group, different team. The game was a little physical, but under control. On a fast break, A1 breaks away and goes in for a layup, while ball is on the cylinder, B1 grabs the net. basket goes in, I give B1 a technical for grabbing the net. After the game I caught some hell from some Fanboys of the loosing team, which was B's team parents. they felt we called the games too seriously and tight. The game as I stated was close. Team evenly matched. Do you guys think that calling a summer AAU league to the letter of the rule books is too strict. Keep in mind if you read my other post "what would you do" where coach mouthing off I wanted to work on my mechanics, my rule interpretation, positioning improving my game. I guess damn if you do and damn if you don't. I didn't care what the fanboys were saying, But wanted to hear from you guys..

Please some feedback..

I think we (referees) get in trouble when we let summer league/tournament games get out of control. We don't call enough fouls and we tend to be lazy, "it is just a summer league game." I applaud you for taking the approach you did. Where I live we work all our summer league games with three person crew and we also work on our mechanics and our overall officiating. Summer time basketball is a great time to work on your game and get better, not to screw off and look like jag.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by RonRef

I think we (referees) get in trouble when we let summer league/tournament games get out of control. We don't call enough fouls and we tend to be lazy, "it is just a summer league game." I applaud you for taking the approach you did. Where I live we work all our summer league games with three person crew and we also work on our mechanics and our overall officiating. Summer time basketball is a great time to work on your game and get better, not to screw off and look like jag.

I am going to have to partly disagree with you on this. You can call everything and games can get out of hand. Many summer leagues do not have the same rules or consequences involved. Summer leagues are a mixed bag of rules and expectations. Not all coaches approach the game the same and the players do not approach the game the same. I tend to call more during the summer and games still get out of hand. I think we need to stop thinking calling more is going to change the way players and coaches react. You can all everything and if a kid knows he is not going to foul out and realizes that no one will remember much of what happens during the summer, you still can have games get out of hand.

Peace

[deecee]

I completly disagree that we let summer games get out of control because we don't call enough fouls or get lazy. Like JR said most summer leauge coaches aren't real coaches -- they dont know squat about coaching or the game. Most kids are there just for participation and when the season starts 80% of them wont be on a HS team because they aren't that good.

Now some refs are just lazy but that is expected as they are just in it for the money -- however for most its not laziness thats the prolem its doing many games that just make it tiring. This last weekend I stretched myself out too thin (i usually dont work more than 3 games maybe 4 a day). But I had 4 games start at 8 and 3 start at 130 and i was 1 late for the 130 game and 2 almost dead because of these god darn Southern California gyms with no ventillation. The point is bad basketball cannot be made better with more foul calls.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by deecee

The point is bad basketball cannot be made better with more foul calls.

But sometimes you have to make more foul calls just to keep a game under control.

Apples and oranges.... iow you can't make a hard-and-fast rule on how to call a game....summertime or any time...