Guidance?

[johnnyrao]

I worked a summer HS basketball tournament this weekend. Team A had an inbounds play under their basket. I was lead. I started my count and called a 5 second violation. The Trail came to me and told me that I made a mistake because he had his hand up indicating subs were coming into the game so I should not have administered the throw-in. I agree I made a huge mistake here. But, he then told me we should give the ball back to Team A since I made a mistake. I told him I didn't think we could because it's not a correctable error. It's an error on my part but I still gave A1 a full five seconds to get the throw in on the court. He told me to do whatever I wanted to do but he just wanted to point it out to me. I gave the ball to B because of the violation and we went on. Is this correct or could we have gone back and done it again?

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by johnnyrao

I worked a summer HS basketball tournament this weekend. Team A had an inbounds play under their basket. I was lead. I started my count and called a 5 second violation. The Trail came to me and told me that I made a mistake because he had his hand up indicating subs were coming into the game so I should not have administered the throw-in. I agree I made a huge mistake here. But, he then told me we should give the ball back to Team A since I made a mistake. I told him I didn't think we could because it's not a correctable error. It's an error on my part but I still gave A1 a full five seconds to get the throw in on the court. He told me to do whatever I wanted to do but he just wanted to point it out to me. I gave the ball to B because of the violation and we went on. Is this correct or could we have gone back and done it again?

Blech

He screwed up because he let you start the game through his stop sign without a whislte.

You screwed up because you didn't see his stop sign.

Your partner should have just turned around & headed downcourt when you blew the whistle on the 5 second count. But he didn't, he screwed up twice. You only screwed up once.

You got it right, the play stands.

[BktBallRef]

Give the ball back to A. Next time, look at your partner before administering the throw-in.

[Camron Rust]

As you can see, two very knowledgeable officials already have given you different rulings. I don't think there is anything written that will settle this issue and the R will just have to make a judgement.

I'm not saying which one is right becasue I just don't know but I'll make a few pionts that come to mind...

• If A had players being subbed out and none where near the throwin at the time and B had all 5 players guarding the remaining players from A, A would have a very good case for getting the ball back.
• If it was B who had players being subbed, B really earned the ball.
• The primary mistake was by the official administering the throwin...the other, presumably, had the prescribed signal up to stop the action...while the whistle is nice and recommended (and I do it when it might be unclear), I don't believe it is actually required.
• The ball did become live as the throwin was administered.
• The ball was dead because of the hand up.

All this adds up to a big hmmm.

[Nevadaref]

Did the substitution process actually occur? Did you have more the 5 team members from one team on the floor during the live ball once you administered the throw-in?

What mess!!!

Lesson learned is to ALWAYS look at your partner before putting the ball in play. Also, you must pregame that a hand up means "DON'T GO."

It doesn't matter who you give the ball to in this situation, one team is rightly going to be upset.

[Jurassic Referee]

I agree with Dan. This isn't one of the 5 correctable errors listed. It's an officials mistake. There's no provision anywhere in the rules to go back and rectify an official's mistake. You have to follow rule 9-2PENALTY.

There were no subs beckoned either, as per the original post.