H.S. Shot Clock

[garote]

Quick Question. Has NFHS come out with any rules or guidelines on shot clock use?

I realize most states use the NCAA rules in most cases, but just checking to be sure.

[zebraman]

Originally Posted by garote

Quick Question. Has NFHS come out with any rules or guidelines on shot clock use?

I realize most states use the NCAA rules in most cases, but just checking to be sure.

No they haven't.

Z

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by garote

Quick Question. Has NFHS come out with any rules or guidelines on shot clock use?

No.

Originally Posted by garote

I realize most states use the NCAA rules in most cases, but just checking to be sure.

Since when?

Peace

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

• realize most states use the NCAA rules in most cases, but just checking to be sure.

Since when?

Peace

I think he means states that use shot clocks utilize NCAA rules in regards to the shot clock.

But far be it from me to try to explain my partner's call

[refhoops]

Since we have the shot clock here in California, we have California Modification which pertains to the shot clock. Hard too beleive in today's game that all states do not use a shot clock. I remember during last year's season a college coach stating that the biggest adjustment his players is for those players coming from states that do not use the shot clock

[Nevadaref]

The last time I checked only SEVEN states used a shot clock in HS games in either boys or girls play.
As was stated above CA does not use the NCAA shot clock rules rather they use their own modifications that were written by Bill White. They are not quite the same and cover most situations that could pop up, but not all. The people that I know have said that they follow the NCAA rules when something arises that isn't covered.

[SMEngmann]

In CA we do use the shot clock and we use college rules. That created some confusion when the NCAA changed the reset rule on a kick last year, different areas did different things. Hopefully that will become more uniform this year.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by refhoops

Since we have the shot clock here in California, we have California Modification which pertains to the shot clock. Hard too beleive in today's game that all states do not use a shot clock. I remember during last year's season a college coach stating that the biggest adjustment his players is for those players coming from states that do not use the shot clock

You're in the minority in more ways than one. Since less than 2% of HS players will ever play college basketball, what's the point in making a rule change when 98% of the players will never be faced with a shot clock.

Rule changes are made for the good of the game, not to benefit the 2% that might play in college some day.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

less than 2% of HS players will never play college basketball

Does include all levels of college ball? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, etc, men's and women's? Not doubting you at all. Just want to clairy, b/c that just seems really low for all the college programs that are out there.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Does include all levels of college ball? D1, D2, D3, NAIA, NJCAA, etc, men's and women's? Not doubting you at all. Just want to clairy, b/c that just seems really low for all the college programs that are out there.

According to stats from the NFHS web site 1,002,040 boys and girls participated in high school basketball programs in 2004-2005, the most recent year for which they provide data. 2% of that number would be 20,040. Figure 15 kids per team and you've got 1,336 teams or 668 schools, assuming every school plays both mens and womens ball. Divide that out and you get an average of 13 1/3 colleges per state. So 2% seems a little high, actually.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

According to stats from the NFHS web site 1,002,040 boys and girls participated in high school basketball programs in 2004-2005, the most recent year for which they provide data. 2% of that number would be 20,040. Figure 15 kids per team and you've got 1,336 teams or 668 schools, assuming every school plays both mens and womens ball. Divide that out and you get an average of 13 1/3 colleges per state. So 2% seems a little high, actually.

Tooling around the internet I got this:

There are 334 NCAA men D1 teams in the RPI list.
There are about 300 men NCAA D2 teams.
There are total 800 D3 men & women teams

JUCO:
Approx, men:
300 D1
100 D2
100 D3

So that's roughly 3000 men's & woman's teams, assuming each school fields both (not always the case).
Assume 10 players avg per team, that's 30,000 players total NCAA & NJCAA. Or about 3%

2% seems close enough by my rough count.

[ChuckElias]

Very interesting. Thanks, Dan.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by SMEngmann

In CA we do use the shot clock and we use college rules. That created some confusion when the NCAA changed the reset rule on a kick last year, different areas did different things. Hopefully that will become more uniform this year.

You might with your local group, but then you aren't using what is in the CBOA book.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by BktBallRef

Since less than 2% of HS players will never play college basketball,...

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[rainmaker]

I'd like to ask a shot clock question for NCAA-W. On a held ball, when the ball returns to the team that was in possession when the held ball occurred, does the shot clock reset? I thought no, but a partner and I disagreed.