Summer Camp Games

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by rainmaker

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Just feeling touchy since I went to only one camp this summer, and got excellent reviews, and comments from evals. It's not *********be great partners!

edited to irritate those touchy, feely, PC types

[Nevadaref]

David,
What do you want us to say? Is anyone really going to disagree?
Can you fix this situation? Do you have the power to prevent the #2 folks from working games? I doubt it or you wouldn't be in the described situation.

The way I see it you have three choices:

1. You can just show up and deal with these people while doing the best job you can.

2. You can tell your assignor that you won't work with so and so and hope he honors that request or that you will only work with x,y, and z if you are afraid of the unknown.

3. Lastly you can choose not to work the games at all if the partners are not known to you beforehand and to your liking.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

David,
What do you want us to say? Is anyone really going to disagree?
Can you fix this situation? Do you have the power to prevent the #2 folks from working games? I doubt it or you wouldn't be in the described situation.

The way I see it you have three choices:

1. You can just show up and deal with these people while doing the best job you can.

2. You can tell your assignor that you won't work with so and so and hope he honors that request or that you will only work with x,y, and z if you are afraid of the unknown.

3. Lastly you can choose not to work the games at all if the partners are not known to you beforehand and to your liking.

Fourth choice....go to a higher level camp. You usually won't find newbies and people there that don't care. You'll be working with people that want to be there.

[drinkeii]

I really don't have a problem with working with newbies. Everyone has to learn somewhere.

I guess my real problem is with the people who sign up, and then don't even bother to do the job they signed up for. I guess you get this in every part of life, but why would you sign up for a job when you just plan to complain about the pay and then not do the job. This is a hobby for us - you should do it because you enjoy it.

[LarryS]

At first, I thought the original post was about games at camps for officials...but then read it and it looks like it refers to summer league games.

A few thoughts...

1) The organization I call for during the summer only uses officials with a couple of years experience (unless it is an emergency). You still get someone who doesn't care and someone who has repeated their first year a few times (aint learned nothing...if you know what I mean) but the odds are smaller. Maybe you need to be more selective.

2) Even when working with a "bad partner" you can find things to improve your game...and it happens during the regular season as well. I always remind myself that I am the only one that can impact my feelings and has any control over how I handle my responsiblities. Make sure there is at least one official on the floor giving it their all. Do your best...get in...get done...get out.

3) If you know your partner is passing on an OOB call on his/her line or on contact that obviously impacts the shot attempt...who is watching your area?

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by drinkeii

I really don't have a problem with working with newbies. Everyone has to learn somewhere.

I guess my real problem is with the people who sign up, and then don't even bother to do the job they signed up for. I guess you get this in every part of life, but why would you sign up for a job when you just plan to complain about the pay and then not do the job. This is a hobby for us - you should do it because you enjoy it.

I think JR said it best. If you need to go to a higher level camp and you will not have to worry about working with new officials or guys that really do not care. I mean the kind of camp where people pay $300 and more. You are not going to see very many people that just do not care. You are going to see people that primarily there to get hired and get better. These officials are not going to screw around and just about everyone can officiate to some degree.

Peace

[refhoops]

I would rather work with a newbie whether they are recent or clueless becuase they want to learn. Working with a partner who does not care drives me nuts. If you are not willing to hustle at least a little bit then don't take the games. These teams have paid good money for these summer leagues and they expect effort from the refs.

[drinkeii]

Originally Posted by refhoops

I would rather work with a newbie whether they are recent or clueless becuase they want to learn. Working with a partner who does not care drives me nuts. If you are not willing to hustle at least a little bit then don't take the games. These teams have paid good money for these summer leagues and they expect effort from the refs.

I wholeheartedly agree!