Fresh From Camp Tidbits....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

My only problem is that such statements are applied too broadly. I too typically pass on contact that follows a block...but only to a point. At some point, the contact becomes too substantial to not be a foul. Where that point lies is certainly a topic worthy of debate but such a line should and does exist.

To say a blocker shouldn't be held liable for any contact after a block is analagous to saying a shooter shouldn't be held liable for anycontact after the shot is released...no matter how hard. The NFHS and NCAA have different penalties for this situation but it is called if the conact is enough.

This is why the term is called "judgment." You do not have to agree, but if the right people do not agree with your judgment, you will not get hired. So it really is irrelevant what the NF or NCAA says. Kind of like what happens in football. The NF or NCAA does not give the philosophy as to how to call holding, but if you want to work higher level ball, you use the philosophy that is widely accepted or you stay at home.

Peace

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

This is why the term is called "judgment." You do not have to agree, but if the right people do not agree with your judgment, you will not get hired. So it really is irrelevant what the NF or NCAA says. Kind of like what happens in football. The NF or NCAA does not give the philosophy as to how to call holding, but if you want to work higher level ball, you use the philosophy that is widely accepted or you stay at home.

Peace

If you had actually understood my post, you'd realize I said exactly the same thing. The original statement made was that if the contact was after a block, it is not a foul...without any consideration of judgement. At every level, there will be some amount of contact, even after the block, that will draw a whistle. It make take a beheading but it exists. The point at which the whistle comes varies from level to level and from assignor to assignor, as I already said, and that is the judgement you're talking about.

[Raymond]

Just got back from the Referee's Choice camp and I'm headed to another camp in the morning.

One thing that really hit home for me is that supervisors expect us as referee's to ALWAYS be professional when dealing with coaches, no matter how much of an a$$ they are being. We cannot lower ourselves into the fray. I'm one of those quick-witted, sharped tongue, sarcastic individuals. Thinking back on my short career, those traits probably haven't served me well (except in Adult Rec Leagues of course).

So here are the 4 actions I will start confining myself to when dealing with coaches.

• Listen

• Short, appropriate responses to specific questions

• Warn

• Tech