Fresh From Camp Tidbits....

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Hey Rut,

I was at a local camps this weekend and I had the same play just about. It was a shot block then contact and I passed on the foul. My partner came all the way in my area and called the foul and the coach hit the roof. I couldnt agree more that contact after a shot block is deemed incidental!

You might agree with this, but there are a lot of people here that do not agree on this website. I really do not care either way. I just wanted to point out that another official with much more experience than I have and works a level I might never achieve told officials what they have to do on a play like this. And he used the same language I have been using for years when talking about this play. I was accused of not knowing what I was talking about and making it up. Just goes to show that officiating is about philosophies and fitting into those philosophies.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You might agree with this, but there are a lot of people here that do not agree on this website. I really do not care either way. I just wanted to point out that another official with much more experience than I have and works a level I might never achieve told officials what they have to do on a play like this. And he used the same language I have been using for years when talking about this play. I was accused of not knowing what I was talking about and making it up. Just goes to show that officiating is about philosophies and fitting into those philosophies.

Peace

Yeah, I know the feeling. But after watching March Madness this past year, it was clear that contact after the block shot is incidental. At Bob Gibbons, we were told to leave the Ticky Tac fouls alone and call only the obvious.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by IREFU2

Yeah, I know the feeling. But after watching March Madness this past year, it was clear that contact after the block shot is incidental. At Bob Gibbons, we were told to leave the Ticky Tac fouls alone and call only the obvious.

You did not have to watch the post season, you could watch the regular season and come to that conclusion too. You just do not see this called a foul very often if at all at the Men's College level. I cannot tell you what is acceptable in Women's basketball. I just learned in the past two camps I have attended that Women's and NBA basketball was not seen in a very positive light.

Peace

[IREFU2]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

You did not have to watch the post season, you could watch the regular season and come to that conclusion too. You just do not see this called a foul very often if at all at the Men's College level. I cannot tell you what is acceptable in Women's basketball. I just learned in the past two camps I have attended that Women's and NBA basketball was not seen in a very positive light.

Peace

Well, I once was going to the women side to see if I could get in and its actually harder.

[BLydic]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

I just learned in the past two camps I have attended that Women's and NBA basketball was not seen in a very positive light.

Peace

What about the women's college game is not viewed in a positive light?

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by BLydic

What about the women's college game is not viewed in a positive light?

I think JRut is referring to the styles, philosophies, coverage areas, and mechanics of NCAA-W and NBA (and by default the SEC) officiating.

I went to a camp 2 years ago here in Virginia in which the camp directors didn't speak too fondly of what was being taught by the folks further down south.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

I went to a camp 2 years ago here in Virginia in which the camp directors didn't speak too fondly of what was be taught by the folks further down south.

From my experience, you can not only get different opinions from conference to conference, you can also get different opinions from official to official within a conference. Jmo, but I think that you have to form your own opinion on some calls and then try to be consistent to your beliefs. Of course, if your evaluators in a league you're working in tell you to call something a certain way, you'd also better damn well do as they suggest.

Personally, I'm in the camp that says if a defender knocks an airborne shooter down with contact, a foul should be called on the defender- all-ball or no all-ball. A shooter is just way too vulnerable up there imo. I also believe, however, that you can't make an absolute blanket rule to that effect. You might get a play where the shooter goes down, and you really don't think the circumstances warrant a foul at that particular time. Wishy-washy, eh?

I do know that SEC football officials have been trained differently than most other conferences, and very few other conferences' officials' groups agree at all with the SEC way of doing things.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by BLydic

What about the women's college game is not viewed in a positive light?

An Official not stopping the clock on out of bounds plays was talked about frequently at this camp. Lead officials rotating for apparently no reason. Two hand reporting was talked about. If an official came from the Guthrie system, it was pointed out that was not the way to officiate the game or signal. It is very clear that the Men's game wants to be different.

Peace