Situation this past weekend - Do over

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

The exact order of events is unclear: Was B1 already touching the table when she touched the ball? If so, this would be a throw-in violation on A and the ball goes to B.

SECTION 2 THROW-IN PROVISIONS
A player shall not violate the following provisions governing the throw-in.
The thrower shall not:
ART. 2 . . . Fail to pass the ball directly into the court from out-of-bound so it touches or is touched by another player (inbounds or out of bounds) on the court before going out of bounds untouched.

If not, then the ball goes to A at the table.

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Actually, now that I re-read the rule, I'm confused by the "inbounds our out of bounds" part. It also seems to wreak havoc with the definition of "on the court" that Nevada was quoting. Is this really saying that the conditions of the throw-in are met by touching a player who is out of bounds? And does it really equate being "inbounds or out of bounds" with being "on the court"? Or am I reading it incorrectly?

And now that rampant self-doubt is running amok, I'm going to rephrase my earlier statement as a question: If B1 was OOB by virtue of touching the table when she touched the ball, would that not be the same as A1's inbound pass going OOB untouched? Or is it, instead, an OOB violation on B1?

A player on the court can be inbounds or out-of-bounds and still be on the court. The rule you quote above is unambiguous. Nevada's relating it to the guarding rule is not relevant...confusing but not relavant. (This is what happens when someone decides to clarify a rule by redefining a term that was previously used consistently without adjusting other uses of that term).


The violation is NOT a throwin violation for a player to touch the throwin pass while OOB. It is a violation on the player who touches the ball.

Consider the ramifications if this were not the case: A1 throws the ball. A2 about to receive the pass. B2 gets a hand on the ball but is OOB before it gets to A2. Violation for touching a live ball while OOB. If there were to be a throwin violation on A1, B would get the ball. This, of course, makes absolutely no sense.

There is a "minor" difference in the terms. The LGP rule uses "playing court" as opposed to just "court".