Why I love AAU basketball, a work of fiction

[Rich]

Originally Posted by blindzebra

The embecile sticks by his take from that thread 100%.

Then you aren't cowardly or unethical. You are worse.

[Junker]

Since we're on the topic of crappy leagues....today the director of the local Y emailed and begged me to work the season ending all-star game. The regular season is over, this game is supposed to be fun and all but of course there's one jerk. With about 20 seconds left, a player from blue, who by the way is up 20, gets the ball on the break and possibly gets fouled (I heard a small slap, but couldn't see where and when the contact was since we were working 2 man) which I no called. He immediately starts complaining, I ignore him. A few seconds after the buzzer as I'm leaving the floor he tells me I know nothing about officiating. I tell him the game isn't over until I leave the visual confines so he needs to stop talking to me. He continues to complain telling me I can't do anything because the game is over, so I T him up ($15 dollar fine in the league, $30 for 2 and so on). The look of shock on their faces was hilarious. I go report it and grab my stuff. The director asks me what he said and I told him the whole situation. I also told him if the fine isn't imposed, don't bother calling me to work again. I probably won't go back anyway. I just don't get some of these people at all. Ok, done venting. Hopefully I have a good first night out on the baseball diamond to help get this last game out of my head.

[Camron Rust]

It is also upon B's coach in this situation to be on top of things. For all we know, B's coach knew they shouldn't get the FTs but let them happen anyway...thinking they might as well get a FT when you might not get a shot off otherwise. B's coach got caught either deliberately or ignorantly getting an unintended advantage and the advantage (FTs) was canceled. Perhaps B's coach didn't know...no one except the coach will know for sure. The fact that A scored is not relevant. If A's coach was aware of the foul situation, you could be that A wouldn't want to let B get a FT not earned.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

It is also upon B's coach in this situation to be on top of things. For all we know, B's coach knew they shouldn't get the FTs but let them happen anyway...thinking they might as well get a FT when you might not get a shot off otherwise. B's coach got caught either deliberately or ignorantly getting an unintended advantage and the advantage (FTs) was canceled. Perhaps B's coach didn't know...no one except the coach will know for sure. The fact that A scored is not relevant. If A's coach was aware of the foul situation, you could be that A wouldn't want to let B get a FT not earned.

Camron, this in no way falls on B's coach. Bottom line, correctable error rule in this situation screws Team B out of a possession. The rule is bad. That is why it is incumbent upon us as officials to stay on top of the team foul situation so that this does not happen.

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Camron, this in no way falls on B's coach. Bottom line, correctable error rule in this situation screws Team B out of a possession. The rule is bad. That is why it is incumbent upon us as officials to stay on top of the team foul situation so that this does not happen.

My opinion: The correctable error rule is written so *both* coaches have an incentive to get it right before the error occurs. Coach B in the original play might have felt he was getting a break ("Hey -- they're letting us shoot FTs -- if we make them, keep quiet; if we miss then we'll bring up the error.") His (if he knew) failure to speak up ended up costing him.

There are many examples where a slight change in the circumstances can end up costing one team or the other.

[Junker]

Last night I sat and wrote a letter to the guy running the league. I'm a member of the Y, I play in the league, and I agreed to officiate to help out. Sportsmanship in the league was worse then ever before. I saw 2 player ejections and a bunch of T's this season. Both players that were ejected were on the floor last night. In the letter I express my displeasure from a variety of viewpoints. I teach in the community and work hard on character with my students. Then they go to the Y, an organization that should be reinforcing those traits, and they see a bunch of "adults" modeling that type of behavior. I offered to help find ways to improve the sportsmanship, but at the moment, I'm doubting if I'll be involved with the league again. It's just not fun and that's the whole purpose of playing.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by bob jenkins

My opinion: The correctable error rule is written so *both* coaches have an incentive to get it right before the error occurs. Coach B in the original play might have felt he was getting a break ("Hey -- they're letting us shoot FTs -- if we make them, keep quiet; if we miss then we'll bring up the error.") His (if he knew) failure to speak up ended up costing him.

Coach B might not have had any idea it was a Team Control foul. The situation in question was a foul on A1 during a scramble for an interrputed dribble.

Last night in HS game, we had a player from Team A have the ball knocked away on the dribble by Team B. As A1 and B1 went for the ball, A1 fouled B1. Incorrectly, we awarded B1 the bonus.

If the officials lost track of the situation what makes you think Coach B didn't lose track also? As is often correctly stated in this forum, coaches don't know the rules as well as we officials do. Why all of a sudden in this scenario would it be incumbent on Coach B to question the application of a rule? It is our job to get it right, not the coaches. And how the correctable error rule is written, often times a team can get screwed because of our foul-up.

[BktBallRef]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

And how the correctable error rule is written, often times a team can get screwed because of our foul-up.

So please re-write the rule and post it for all of us to scrutinize!

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Coach B might not have had any idea it was a Team Control foul. The situation in question was a foul on A1 during a scramble for an interrputed dribble. If the officials lost track of the situation what makes you think Coach B didn't lose track also? As is often correctly stated in this forum, coaches don't know the rules as well as we officials do. Why all of a sudden in this scenario would it be incumbent on Coach B to question the application of a rule? It is our job to get it right, not the coaches. And how the correctable error rule is written, often times a team can get screwed because of our foul-up.

While many coaches don't, there are some that do. The rule is the way it is so that coach B, if he knows, can get burned if he doesn't speak up. You get undeserved FTs, they may get canceled. Other action is not. That other action in this case is A scoring. Can't cancel A's shot becasue they earned it. Can't let B keep the FT's since they didn't earn it. What other option do you think is possible?

[Dribble]

Hey Junker, let us know if you find out if the league does follow through on the fine. I hope they do!