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[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

Horse pucky !
Inge (one of my favorites] moved late toward third eventhough there was a runner on 2nd.
Zumaya, seeing Inge not moving threw it to where Inge was, as Inge started his move .

Well, monkey muffins!

I still put most of the blame on Zumaya, because the 1-5-3 DP isn't standard (hence the stat they found). If I were Inge, I wouldn't have been expecting a throw, unless the ball had been hit softer. Maybe part of the reason he wasn't there was because it was hit sharply, and he didn't have the time to get there yet.

I do know pitchers work on the 1-6-3 plays all the time, (and sometimes the 1-4-3, depending on the defensive alignment). It's so much easier for the pitcher to throw at 2nd base, and have the shortstop take the throw while their momentum is taking them towards 1st.

[Dan_ref]

I think we should blame Kenny Rogers for getting goop all over the ball the other day.

btw....big news out of the windy city today

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54216

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

I think we should blame Kenny Rogers for getting goop all over the ball the other day.

btw....big news out of the windy city today

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54216

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, monkey muffins!

I still put most of the blame on Zumaya, because the 1-5-3 DP isn't standard (hence the stat they found). If I were Inge, I wouldn't have been expecting a throw, unless the ball had been hit softer. Maybe part of the reason he wasn't there was because it was hit sharply, and he didn't have the time to get there yet.

I do know pitchers work on the 1-6-3 plays all the time, (and sometimes the 1-4-3, depending on the defensive alignment). It's so much easier for the pitcher to throw at 2nd base, and have the shortstop take the throw while their momentum is taking them towards 1st.

You know there were no outs in the inning, did anyone ever think about the possiblility of the TRIPLE PLAY! the batter did have a leg injury and can't get down the line so it was a good possiblility that is what he may of been thinking...probably wouldn't of gotten it, but still could of gotten two of the 3 anyways....

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Well, monkey muffins!

If I were Inge, I wouldn't have been expecting a throw, unless the ball had been hit softer. Maybe part of the reason he wasn't there was because it was hit sharply, and he didn't have the time to get there yet.

Oh, my ! Hit softly the only play is at 1B

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

I do know pitchers work on the 1-6-3 plays all the time, (and sometimes the 1-4-3, depending on the defensive alignment). It's so much easier for the pitcher to throw at 2nd base, and have the shortstop take the throw while their momentum is taking them towards 1st.

Oh, my ! Who takes the throw depends on batter's side of the plate or batter's proclivity.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

Oh, my ! Hit softly the only play is at 1B.

Maybe, but the ball was hit on the third base side of the mound. But, that's my whole point, Inge wasn't expecting the throw, so why should he hurry to get there?

Originally Posted by mick

Oh, my ! Who takes the throw depends on batter's proclivity.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Look, I was just trying to help take one of those kids off the hook. And lord knows I certainly don't know how to behave as a fan of a team in a W.S.

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

Maybe, but the ball was hit on the third base side of the mound. But, that's my whole point, Inge wasn't expecting the throw, so why should he hurry to get there?

Runners on first and second, no outs.
Ground ball anywhere (particularly left side) F5 momentum is moving toward (attacking) the ball.
By the time F1 has the ball, F5 is already moving in and must only vary his path slightly to get to 3B.

On only one of the three counts, (left-side, momentum and runner coming) Inge is normally there. He didn't have to be expecting the throw (certainly not the throw into left field), but he had to be there. Hadta be a bad jump and a brain cramp!

...And Monroe is out in left, ...just enjoying the game in the infield.

[M&M Guy]

Originally Posted by mick

...And Monroe is out in left, ...just enjoying the game in the infield.

That's one we definitely agree on.

I was always taught as an outfielder to back up the infield, even on routine grounders. Do major leaguers feel they don't need to do that anymore? Maybe major leaguers don't make as many errors and mistakes as little leaguers, but do they not do it because they're told to not worry about it, or because kids these days just don't know some of the basics?

(Dang it, my old-fogey grumpiness is showing again...)

[mick]

Originally Posted by M&M Guy

That's one we definitely agree on.

I was always taught as an outfielder to back up the infield, even on routine grounders. Do major leaguers feel they don't need to do that anymore? Maybe major leaguers don't make as many errors and mistakes as little leaguers, but do they not do it because they're told to not worry about it, or because kids these days just don't know some of the basics?

Let me say that C-Mo (Craig Monroe) is one of my favorites, too. Fine player.

He's watching and he sees the pitcher with the ball. Maybe he's already shading toward the area behind 2B where "just everyone knows" the ball is headed.