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Jurassic Referee · #**451** (**permalink**) Mon Jul 24, 2006, 05:06pm

Well, it ain't beisbol, but I'm gonna post it anyway...

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/hor...ory?id=2528450

Wjen I first read this, I laughed. Then I said to myself "Self...whatinthehell are you laughing at?". That just ain't right. The horse shoulda bitten his damn head off.

ChuckElias · #**452** (**permalink**) Wed Jul 26, 2006, 09:25am

Twins have won something like 32 of their last 40 and the Tigers are still 8.5 up on them. Looking pretty good out there, Mick!

mick · #**453** (**permalink**) Wed Jul 26, 2006, 07:20pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Twins have won something like 32 of their last 40 and the Tigers are still 8.5 up on them. Looking pretty good out there, Mick!

Chuck,
It's kind of you to notice, but the Twins have invited the Tigers to Minnesota for a bit (3 games 7/28,29,30), after April games of 3 of 3 [Detroit] and May games of 4 of 6 [Detroit].
Back then the Twins (I think) hadn't discovered Liriano [1.93]. And, Santana is still a bad boy [3.04].
It would be cool to see Liriano and Verlander [both rookies] take turns in the same game.

mick

Nevadaref · #**454** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 27, 2006, 02:47am

How sad is Prior's season? He is throwing a no-hitter and has to be pulled in the 6th because he just isn't in shape to go deep into games at this point.

The match-ups for Detroit @ Minn :

Fri, Jul 28	8:10 pm EDT	Z. Miner vs. F. Liriano
	Sat, Jul 29	7:10 pm EDT	N. Robertson vs. B. Radke
	Sun, Jul 30	2:10 pm EDT	J. Bonderman vs. J. Santana

ChuckElias · #**455** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 27, 2006, 08:37am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

How sad is Prior's season? He is throwing a no-hitter and has to be pulled in the 6th because he just isn't in shape to go deep into games at this point.

Was it a matter of being in shape, or just a matter of pitch count? I think I heard that he was already over 100 pitches in the 5th. I realize that Dusty doesn't care much about pitch counts, but it seems reasonable to me to take Prior out at that point.

mick · #**456** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 27, 2006, 08:48am

Minnesota 34 of last 40
Detroit 30 of last 40

Raymond · #**457** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 27, 2006, 12:37pm

a couple of different links:

http://thebiglead.com/?p=714

http://www.deadspin.com/sports/top/w...axe-189733.php

my brother has witnessed first hand HR's fondness for the ladies, so that reputation does hurt his credibility in a case like this.............but like most of what I've read, my brother says Harold Reynolds is a really, really nice guy

Nevadaref · #**458** (**permalink**) Thu Jul 27, 2006, 06:14pm

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Was it a matter of being in shape, or just a matter of pitch count? I think I heard that he was already over 100 pitches in the 5th. I realize that Dusty doesn't care much about pitch counts, but it seems reasonable to me to take Prior out at that point.

His pitch count was at 103 when he was pulled and that is exactly what I meant by not being in shape. He is just considered too fragile to let him throw 130-140 pitches anymore. Remember back early in his career when Dusty would leave Wood and Prior out there for those kind of numbers? People were saying back then that he was burning out their arms.

ChuckElias · #**459** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 28, 2006, 08:17am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref

His pitch count was at 103 when he was pulled and that is exactly what I meant by not being in shape. He is just considered too fragile to let him throw 130-140 pitches anymore.

Isn't just about everybody too "fragile" to throw 140 pitches in one outing?!?! I don't think that reflects at all on whether he's in shape or not. 120 is a high pitch count, 110 is a maximum for a lot of starters. 100 is a safe number, generally. 140 is pretty much considered insane nowadays, I think.

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Remember back early in his career when Dusty would leave Wood and Prior out there for those kind of numbers? People were saying back then that he was burning out their arms.

And they were right. Why do you suppose that those two guys have had serious arm problems every year? One reason is that they were abused in their early years.

M&M Guy · #**460** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 28, 2006, 09:25am

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Originally Posted by ChuckElias

Isn't just about everybody too "fragile" to throw 140 pitches in one outing?!?! I don't think that reflects at all on whether he's in shape or not. 120 is a high pitch count, 110 is a maximum for a lot of starters. 100 is a safe number, generally. 140 is pretty much considered insane nowadays, I think.

And they were right. Why do you suppose that those two guys have had serious arm problems every year? One reason is that they were abused in their early years.

Abused? Maybe I'm just old, but I remember pitchers going the distance regularly. In fact, there was a mention recently on ESPN radio where one of the hosts was recounting an interview he had with Bob Gibson. The host was talking about specialization in the bullpen, and how that wasn't the case back in Gibson's day. The host mentioned that the average pitcher today has about 3-4 complete games a season. And Gibson said to him, "3-4? That would be a bad year for me. I averaged 15 complete games per season." And in 1968 he had 28. How many pitchers these days have even close to 28 C.G. for their career? My guess is the more players are conditioned to have pitch counts from their Little League days on, the more likely they'll need them later on as well. Plus, I'm sure the number of breaking balls also plays a factor. Besides, how many breaking balls did Gibson throw?

As far as "abusing" Wood and Prior, I'm not really in that camp. It's probably more likely in Wood's case, because almost all of his injuries seem to be pitching-related. But I would have to stick up for Prior; his injuries have not always been pitching-related. This year it was a strained oblique muscle after taking batting practice. Last year he was out after taking a line drive off his elbow. I believe 2 or 3 years ago he was on the DL after trying to jump over the Pirates' second baseman while running the bases.

It's just all part of the soap opera I've had to endure all my life.
(organ music = on) "These are the Days of Our Cubbies" (organ music = off)

mick · #**461** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 28, 2006, 04:06pm

Bruce Sutter talks.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...y-sutter_x.htm

M&M Guy · #**462** (**permalink**) Fri Jul 28, 2006, 04:12pm

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Originally Posted by mick

Bruce Sutter talks.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseb...y-sutter_x.htm

He's a smart guy.

Good timing, eh mick?

ChuckElias · #**463** (**permalink**) Sat Jul 29, 2006, 08:00pm

Ouch! Another 19-run game for the Yankees. And against the Devil Rays this time.

Sox win in extras with an opposite field grounder from David Ortiz, beating the shift! Love it!! Love it!!!!!

ChuckElias · #**464** (**permalink**) Sun Jul 30, 2006, 07:49am

This morning, SportsCenter said that it was only the 5th start in Randy Johnson's career with zero strikeouts. Ouch.

Jurassic Referee · #**465** (**permalink**) Sun Jul 30, 2006, 04:11pm

The Yankees get Abreu and Lidle for.....who?

Kinda like this one.

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