In all fairness to Inge, I'm not sure I can let him share in any of the blame. First, if I was him, I wouldn't really be expecting a throw. But he was by the bag; his feet were right next to the bag and he was diving/falling back to the shortstop side to try and get the throw, which was way off. So I think I can let him off the hook.

But, I do agree it took a <B>long</B> time for Monroe to finally get to the ball. I think even <B>I</B> might've been able to score from 1st in that amount of time.

And, I do also agree with you: kids. But Uncle Jimmy will get them back on the straight and narrow for game 4, right?

Even if Inge had been at 3rd base, he wouldn't have made the catch. It was way wild.

doggone it! someone always beats me to the really pithy observations!!

That was my thought exactly, Mick. I didn't play a lot of organized baseball as a kid, but I remember "get the lead runner". Maybe that's what went through Zumaya's head, too.

During last night's game, I had to make a quick trip to Wal-Mart. I found out that all the station's carrying the Cardinals Baseball Network were on ESPN Radio. What the hell happened? Does ESPN have exclusive radio rights to the World Series? :mad:

It was such a sharply-hit grounder that it had "easy double play" written all over it. And the easiest D.P. to turn is the 2nd to 1st. If it had been hit slowly, maybe to one side of the mound, then I could see going after the lead runner. That's why I was surprised when I saw him turn to throw to 3rd.

Yes, they've advertised from the beginning of the play-offs, "every pitch of every play-off game." But I thought there were a couple of instanses when games were played simultaneously, so I don't what they did on those ocassions.

Grrrr! :mad: Yeah I wasn't too happy whenever I was expecting to hear Mike and John and I get the the crappy ESPN guys, John Miller and Joe Morgan.

Horse pucky !
Inge (one of my favorites] moved late toward third eventhough there was a runner on 2nd.
Zumaya, seeing Inge not moving threw it to where Inge was, as Inge started his move .


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Thank you, Colonel Potter! :)

Well, monkey muffins!

I still put most of the blame on Zumaya, because the 1-5-3 DP isn't standard (hence the stat they found). If I were Inge, I wouldn't have been expecting a throw, unless the ball had been hit softer. Maybe part of the reason he wasn't there was because it was hit sharply, and he didn't have the time to get there yet.

I do know pitchers work on the 1-6-3 plays all the time, (and sometimes the 1-4-3, depending on the defensive alignment). It's so much easier for the pitcher to throw at 2nd base, and have the shortstop take the throw while their momentum is taking them towards 1st.

I think we should blame Kenny Rogers for getting goop all over the ball the other day.

btw....big news out of the windy city today

http://www.theonion.com/content/node/54216

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Not true. You're noted for making pithy observations.
I can't begin to tell you how many times that I've heard "Well, that's another pithy observation from Rainmaker".

Feel better now, thithter?

You know there were no outs in the inning, did anyone ever think about the possiblility of the TRIPLE PLAY! the batter did have a leg injury and can't get down the line so it was a good possiblility that is what he may of been thinking...probably wouldn't of gotten it, but still could of gotten two of the 3 anyways....

Don't forget to tuck your whistle in your shirt while making a pithy observation

Cubs fans
 

Oh, my ! Hit softly the only play is at 1B

Oh, my ! Who takes the throw depends on batter's side of the plate or batter's proclivity.

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Maybe, but the ball was hit on the third base side of the mound. But, that's my whole point, Inge wasn't expecting the throw, so why should he hurry to get there?

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Look, I was just trying to help take one of those kids off the hook. And lord knows I certainly don't know how to behave as a fan of a team in a W.S. :(

more Cubs fans
 

Runners on first and second, no outs.
Ground ball anywhere (particularly left side) F5 momentum is moving toward (attacking) the ball.
By the time F1 has the ball, F5 is already moving in and must only vary his path slightly to get to 3B.

On only one of the three counts, (left-side, momentum and runner coming) Inge is normally there. He didn't have to be expecting the throw (certainly not the throw into left field), but he had to be there. Hadta be a bad jump and a brain cramp!

...And Monroe is out in left, ...just enjoying the game in the infield. :)

That's one we definitely agree on.

I was always taught as an outfielder to back up the infield, even on routine grounders. Do major leaguers feel they don't need to do that anymore? Maybe major leaguers don't make as many errors and mistakes as little leaguers, but do they not do it because they're told to not worry about it, or because kids these days just don't know some of the basics?

(Dang it, my old-fogey grumpiness is showing again...)

Let me say that C-Mo (Craig Monroe) is one of my favorites, too. Fine player.

He's watching and he sees the pitcher with the ball. Maybe he's already shading toward the area behind 2B where "just everyone knows" the ball is headed.

I feel much better now. It's very sweet of you-all to be so, uh... encouraging? :p

RAIN delay in St. Louis!

Thank you, Wanda the Weather Woman.

It looks like Wanda is forecasting rain again tonight as well, right Wanda?

I found out I know 2 different people that managed to get a ticket for last night's game, and made the 2 1/2 hr. drive down there, all for nothing. (They are both Cardinal fans, so my sympathy level isn't too high...) Anyway, just an interesting tidbit - I would've thought since they had game 4 tickets, that their makeup date would also be game 4 - tonight. But it's not, their makeup date for those tickets is actually Friday night's game, which was originally scheduled as a travel date. So, I would assume if tonight's game is rained out, those people might get a Sat. game in St. Louis, and then the games in Detroit would be moved to Sunday and Monday? Or would they skip Monday to not go up against Monday Night Football?

I'm glad I'm not in the scheduling business.

In 2-1/2 hours, I can get:

1/2-way to Green Bay
1/2-way to Duluth
1/2-way to Madison
1/2-way to the Lower Peninsula.

:(

It's easy, Goob. This is MLB's logic:
-tonight's game is Game 5.
-Friday night's game is Game 4.

Hey, it makes about as much senses as what the Cubbies have done for....oh.... the last 98 years or so.

Hmm...so if Detroit would would win game 5, the series would be tied 2-2?

Now don't be hatin' on my Cubbies. I heard an interesting discussion on ESPN radio this morning about the fact that the game 3 TV ratings were the lowest ratings ever for a W.S. game. It got beat by Dancing With the Stars, for pete's sake! So, if Bud Selig and MLB wanted to put next year's ratings through the roof, they just need to make sure one team is in it. Nope, not the Evil Empire. Although, if the Evil Empire played this team, it would be that much better. Yep, my Cubbies. I'm assuming the fix is in, so I've already requested my vacation time off from work for next October and sent my check to Clark and Addison for my tickets.

1) You got 'er, Einstein.

2) They musta beat out Game 1 then. I thought that I read someplace that Game 1 was the lowest rated WS game ever.

3) Hey, that's a great show. I watched it once for...oh...about 4 minutes. Didn't you catch Gerry Springer dancing? I was waiting for a couple of 350-lb. KKK transvestites to come out of the audience to take a shot at him. Btw, did you see the blonde that ol' Gerry is dancing with? What are the odds that he's boinking her too?:D

1)Thanks. I feel (slightly) less confused now.
2)You might be right; game 3 might've been the lowest game 3 ratings ever, rather than the lowest WS ratings ever. Either way, it's sad.
3)Don't tell anyone I told you this, but Jerry got voted off last night. The only reason I know is because my wife watches the show. In fact, it was because of that show and Grey's Anatomy we had to buy one of those DVR-thingies, so she didn't miss anything.
But Kym Johnson would make a pretty decent dance partner:
http://a.abc.com/primetime/dancing/i...03_360x240.jpg
Btw, am I the only one that feels the bicep bands on the lady on the right don't look too bad?

is it possible there were no mirrors at all between Jerry's dressing room and the stage??

Hey, we're not supposed to be fashion police, remember?

And who's looking at Jerry?

Dan's right though, if we were the fashion police we would've thrown out Jerry's azz long before he made it to the stage.

Geez, I'm really talking about DWTS? :o

Well, you're certainly frisky today...hurt your wrist?

And on the off-topic baseball thread, too. Oh, Jim, how could you?!?

It's probably just his feeble attempt to be perky and sassy. Lame, if you ask me...

Next thing he'll be pithing all over the place...

Yea, I'm back to typing with one hand again, so I can keep the other one warm. But, I've always been confused, do I use heat or ice on wrist injuries? :confused:

Trust me, I'm suitably embarrased. :o

Ah yes.....Perky, Sassy and Pithy....the new Charlie's Angels.

Well, it looks like Game 4 is going to be a go tonight in St. Louis. Should be another interesting night...can't wait! Go Cards!!!!

No, no, no!

Game 5 is going tonight. Game 4 goes tomorrow night. Didn't M&M teach you anything?

Lah me.....Cardinal fanboys:rolleyes:

LOL. Well for ticket holders that was true. But... no tickets for this guy. Big win, of course, for the Cards. Tigers are certainly shooting themselves in the foot.

And no, I try not to listen to M&M. :D ;)

Tigers are the first team ever to have a pitcher commit an error in each of the first 4 World Series games. I know the Red Sox defense wasn't exactly stellar in the '04 Series, but that's quite a feat.

Should be a great game tonight.

Mark McGwire is gonna sing the national anthem.....and then for old time's sake, he's gonna stick a needle in his butt.

Film at 11.

It's true, it's true.....

Here's another Chuck-type stat I heard last night:

In the previous WS meetings between the Tigers and Cardinals (1932 and 1968), the series went 7 games. In those series, the Cardinals won the first game of the series, the Tigers won the second game, and the Cardinals won the third game, just like this year. And, the team that won the fourth game of the series went on to lose the series. In 1968, the Cardinals were up 3-1, and Detroit won the last 3 games of the series.

Yoohoo...Tanner...it's not quite over yet...

:D

Very, very true Jim. The last time the Cardinals were up 3-1 was in 1985. And we've already talked about that series! :) It ain't over until it's over.

I expect another solid outing by Jeff Weaver tonight. The Tigers will have their hands full. I'm somewhat considering driving to St. Louis tonight -- time will tell.

<font size =-2>Umm...hey, Tanner, don't tell anyone this...but I kinda hope the National League team wins, just to silence all those American League elitists.</font size>

If you do go tonight, bring a duck. You'll make him happy. It looks like it will be wet again.

Well, there's a statement that I never expected to see posted on any other day during the year than April 1st.

Btw, "<b>outting</b>"?

Sigh.....must be another f..king English major.:rolleyes:

Ladies and gentlemen, now appearing as a substitute for Mr. Annoying Spelling Guy:

Mr. Crustaceous One.

Please adjust your lineup cards accordingly.

Nope, engineer. Which explains it all! :)

Wow, you get to drive the train?

I dreamed of doing that when I was a kid.

Yup, wanna ride?

"They played good enough to be 3-1, and we played good enough to be 1-3." - Jim Leyland

Game 5 (game 4 if you have a ticket): DET 2 STL 6.

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Let me see, I remember a WS game where the Cards started Joaqin Anduhar (Sp???) What happened in that game., TJ1? Hmm?;)

Is it hard playing <i>beisbol</i> when you've got both hands around your throat?

Geez !
 

It was a good ride, Mick.

Well, now that the WS is over - with the winner having the least number of non-strike year regular season wins ever I might add - you would think this thread is dead, Fred.

But you would be wrong...

So who's taking the hit for the Yankee's early exit from post season play? A-Rod? Torre? Cashman? Maybe Karl Rove or Hillary? Or maybe even the entire Yankee pitching staff??

No.

Lee Mazzilli.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseba...orts-headlines

Well, certainly unbelieveable. No question I doubted this team heading into the playoffs. I thought they would get ran over. But, I guess that's why you play the games. Great night, now I'm trying to get tickets to their Rally and Program tomorrow. I'm doing this virtual waiting room thing again. I probably won't get tickets. But, it's worth a shot.


My season fully starts Monday. Is there any better way to kick it off?! :)

Torre gets one more year and he'd better win. Sheffield is gone. A-Rod should go. Giambi has to be a permanent DH.

Blow up the pitching staff except for Wang and the relievers with live arms. Trade Jaret Wright's azz back to the NL where he belongs. See if anybody is stoopid enough to take Pavano of our hands. Stick a fork in Randy Johnson and then pin a buy-out on his chest. Send Farnswoth and his 100mph fastball anywhere. Mussina is 50/50 at his age, but he's a #3 starter at best and he ain't worth 8 figures.

You win with pitching and defense. The Yanks don't have enough of either at key spots.

There....instant G.M.

Or, just fire Lee Mazzilli and head off to Hawaii. :shrug:

Gotta say, I'm disappointed. But those Tiggers still had a magnificent season. I hope they can keep it up next year, b/c they seem to have a great base to work with.

And JR's favorite manager becomes only the second manager to a World Series in each league.

In another thread. . .

Leaving any particular player out of the discussion, what is the point of filing for free agency? If your contract has expired with your previous club, why aren't you just automatically a free agent? What does "filing" accomplish?

Also, is it true that they've removed the "penalty" regarding signing with your old team by a certain date? If I remember correctly, that rule was the basis for one of the "collusion" lawsuits the players filed. It was when nobody signed Tim Raines as a free agent and he had to wait till May 1 to re-sign with the Expos.

To be quite honest, I really don't know all of the ins-and-outs of how it works. I think that if you don't file, you can only negotiate a new contract with your last team. If you file, you can negotiate with any team.

And, yes, I read somewhere too that they removed that signing date from the new labor contract.

And yes, LaRussa is, was, and remains the ultimate dickhead in all of MLB.

cough cough bobby valentine cough

No doubt, he woulda been a contender too......if he hadn't have been deported to Japan.

I dunno...I hear in Japan they refer to Valentine as Dickhead-san.

It's official, trade him to the Cubs now!
 

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MINNEAPOLIS (AP) -- Francisco Liriano and the Minnesota Twins were afraid of this: His left elbow needs major surgery, and the pitching sensation is expected to miss the 2007 season. Liriano found out Friday that he requires Tommy John surgery, a ligament transplant procedure that usually takes at least a year to recover from.
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Too late; he's already on the shelf.

He needed to be traded to the Cubs before the diagnosis.

Oh, and btw: :p

WOW, post a negative remark about the Cubs and in just five minutes M&M is firing back! ;)

What do you get a special email notification everytime someone on the forum mentions the Cubs? :)

A little off the off-topic, but...
 

..does Mick lock this thread at midnight on 12/31, so that Chuck can start the NEW annual thread at 12:01 a.m. on 1/1? [After he has walked the dog, of course!]

It's just that "feeling" I get.

It's just like the feeling you get, right before you throw up...

Couple of interesting stories out there today.

Rangers hire Ron Washington as their new manager. He was the A's 3rd base coach, and I don't think he has any managerial experience, even in the minors. Should be interesting, since the Rangers are already guaranteed to win the World Series next year.

Yanks pick up Sheff's option, but are already talking to about 7 teams about a trade for him.

And Pedro's already talking about retirement if this rehab doesn't go well. I hope it doesn't come to that.

Speaking of that......

Didya read the story about Sammy Sosa wanting to come back and play in '07?

Hmmmm......musta found himself a new pharmacist.

Either that or he's too old for the Tour de France.

Today's <b>question</b> is .....<i>"What year did the Tour de France start?"</i>

[grimace = on]Ok, I give up. What year did the Tour de France start?[/grimace]

The Tour de France was started in 1940...by the German army.

Has anyone told you you're going to...oh...never mind.

Yo, Mick......

You got Sheffield; we got 3 young pitching prospects.

Sounds good to me.

Not funny.
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Aaaaarrrrggh !!?! http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/sp...smiley-003.gif
I guess Sheff, Leyland and Dombrowski have history.

You don't like that trade?

It's not a trade that I would make, if I were the Tiger's GM.

Let's see an overpriced, overage, injury-prone hitter or three young arms...hmmm:eek:

Are they trying to help the Yankees? Do they feel sorry for them after this past season?:confused:

Must be a very good trade, cuz Dombrowski made it. Lotsa good, young arms on the roster already, and they all wanna be one of the five starters.
Sheff is a better DH than Dmitri Young. and the Tigers have been looking for one all summer.
Mr. Illich just has to sell a few more pizzas.

The BoSox pay $51 mil just to negotiate with the Japanese pitcher. To sign him, they're probably looking at least at about $12 mil a year for about 4 years, just to keep Boras happy. Iow, you're looking at paying out around $100mil for 4 years, or about $25mil a year. All that for for a guy that's never pitched an inning in the Bigs. That's A-Rod money, and we all know how that turned out. The voice of fiscal responsibility, the Yankees, bid about $20mil less btw.

And in other news, the Cubbies re-signed Kerry Wood and immediately placed him on the 365-day DL.

And in other news the Cubbies gave A. Ramirez $73 M for 5 years. :eek:

:D:D Including Mark Prior.

Hmm...let's see, I thought I mentioned a destination for you guys...

I'm not too opposed to that. He's got a great bat and a decent glove. They also just picked up DeRosa from the Rangers, so that at least solidifies the infield, with Lee and Izturus. Now the just need to fill in a hole or two in the outfield, and maybe pick up another starting pitcher (or three).

Someone from New England please enlighten us. Is this Japanese pitcher supposed to be the 2nd coming of Sandy Koufax? Otherwise, why is Boston throwing some much money away just for the opportunity to try and sign him?

The Cubs are now playing baseball. The Cubs completed by far the largest deal in an already productive offseason and the richest deal in franchise history by signing coveted free-agent outfielder Alfonso Soriano to an eight-year contract believed to be worth $136 million on Monday.*:D

Now, if they can only keep pitchers off the DL.

Hey, where've you been, Mr. "Center of the Universe"?

Been real busy with work. I need to talk to you about this season.

"Mr. Disappearing Bat in October" will be more heart-ache for Cubs fans. My condolensces.

Isk, tsk, tsk.....

Trying to buy a pennant.....

How <i>gauche</i>!:rolleyes:

You can spell <i>gauche</i>, but you can't get "tsk" right?

Tsk...tsk...tsk...

Chuck! Where the <s>hell</s> heck are you?!?

Wow !
That's $50,000,000.00 more than the Tigers' payroll.
He must be very good.

I hope so.

Whatinthehell are <b>you</b> talking about, Wilbur?

<i>"Isk Tsk"</i> is a Classic Latin term. Loosely translated, it means <i>"f**king idiot"</i>.

Sigh.....I teach and I teach, but they never learn.:rolleyes:

Sorry, I must've been out at recess.

Then, from the Classic Van Halen: "Hey, Teacher! I've got my pencil. Gimme somthin' to write on!" :D