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Girls JV, 2 man. B pressing in the backcourt. I am Lead and Referee opposite table in backcourt just inside division line. At approx 5 in the ten second count B1 bats ball causing interrupted dribble which is heading OOB off B1. B2, falling OOB, redirects ball back in bounds. Trail's angle is bad and lined out on this play and thinks B2 batted the ball back in bounds and keeps his count going. A1 recovers the ball and is subsequently whistled for 10 second count. From my angle I observed B2 clearly control the ball and redirect it back onto the court as she was falling OOB. I remember thinking at the time that a TO call is OK. Is there any means by which I could have signaled Trail that the girl had control and to reset his backcourt count?
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There's no official signal to do this. What you could do is after your partner makes the 10 second violation call, go over and tell him briefly what you saw and give him a chance to change his call if he wants to, based on the information you give him.
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However, if you feel she "held" it and that's what you refer to as control, she did establish player control and team control switched. If that was the case, you should tell your partner what you saw and ask him to change his call.
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Why are you, as the lead, at the division line when the trail is already at 5 in his BC count?
If he called a travel, are you going to come to him and tell him the player didn't have control the ball? Mind your own business. Trust your partner.
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How does the elapsed time of the 10 sec count relate to your argument? That should have no bearing on the position that the lead takes in a press situation. Are you suggesting that, as a lead official in a press situation we need to keep track of the trail's count? The location of the players on the floor is what should dictate your position as lead during a press. Are you stating that you go to the endline after 5 seconds of a backcourt count has elapsed? I guess I am as confused as you are. |
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If the L is still in the backcourt, as the original post said, then the ball had better still be below the back FT line. That's very unlikely 5 seconds into a 10 second count. The lead moves up court on a press as the ball moves up the court. The lead isn't supposed to be ball-watching either. Even on a double-team of a dribbler, there's 7 other players out there for the lead to keep an eye on. If the play happened on the L's sideline, maybe the L can help out. If it happened on the T's sideline though, especially if it's below the FT line extended, which is the way that it should be if the L is still in the backcourt, then the trail has the call all the way. And the L shouldn't be watching across the floor and deep to second-guess that call either. It's the trail's call. Trust his judgement. This isn't an OOB call on a tipped ball or anything like that. It's a straight judgement call-- player control vs. no player control. Leave the judgement up to the official responsible for using that judgement. |
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The L should move back as far as the players dicate. Period. I see absolutely nothing wrong with the L being just below the division line as the original play was written.
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One long pass and he's ****ed.
I'd bet a game few that all 10 players were not in the BC 5 seconds into the count. If the L is 15-20 feet into the FC, he's in a more advantageous position.
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Again, there is nothing the OP wrote that even hints that he was positioned incorrectly. Or correctly for that matter.
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B1 just as A1 lets it fly and it ends up being recovered by A2 in the BC. Partner had his attention temporarily on a coach, so I'd expanded my area briefly to cover. Partner calls BC. Crowd goes crazy, and I start to walk towards him and he asks me if it was tipped. I told him it was, and he changed his call to an IW and we moved on giving the ball back to A. I only saw it because of an extraordinary circumstance, and I only helped because he asked. As lead in the play described, it would have to be on my sideline near the division line for me to even consider interfering. And then, I'd have to be 110% sure. "Never?" That's pretty strong, but probably slightly closer to the mark than "rarely."
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I have seen traps where the ball is as far out as halfway between the free throw line and old 28 foot line, and there are still at least 6 players in the backcourt or right around the division line. This will typically happen in sub-varsity games or in games where the offense doesn't know how to be a full press or full trap. Keeping a half court distance relative to your partner is the general rule, but there are exceptions. |
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Backcourt officiating during a press is difficult at best and the trail official in that situation is presented with more straight-line looks than anywhere else on the floor. As you probabally know the press situation in a two man often requires alot of help from the lead official. Cover your area as a lead in that situation, but be aware of the trail being straight-lined and totally losing his look at the action on ball. And you are right, if there are players in position to receive a long outlet pass you need to have the position and the wheels to be able to cover that. But there could also be a steal and a quick shot near the three point arc in the backcourt opposite of the trail that needs to be judged, or a shorter pass and a possible backcourt violation with no official on the division line. The point is, all we can do is be in the best possible position to officiate the players on the floor. We just don't have to run as much in three whistle. |
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