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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 09:50am
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FAN TOSSED: Veteran referee Jack Nies ejected a fan sitting near midcourt during the second quarter.

The man, believed to be an acquaintance of Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, was being verbally abusive, Nies said.

"He was using a lot of profanity," Nies said. "There were a lot of young children and families sitting in the area, and it wasn't going to stop. When he left, it got very quiet."

The man left without incident and was not arrested, according to a police officer providing security at the game.

"I don't know those people," Anthony said after the game.


I was wondering had anyone read this. I have only had to run an FAN once. 8th grade boy’s game. This Kid’s dad was out of control yelling and cursing at the players, his son and the officials. (His son was terrible by the way). He was one rows back, So I walked by and said “Sir I will have to ask you to please stop the cursing there are children present”. He replied with “Well call the F—king game right”. So I walked over to the sight Administrator and informed him “that man must go”. He did not disappoint, he went out yelling, kicking stuff, pointing at me. It was great. Has any one else had to toss a fan?

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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 09:53am
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
I concur. In a summer league camp, I had a fan of one of the teams being very vocal and just acting the fool. His daughter was playing and was harassing the table and us. So I told the coach that I knew his daughter was on the team that he (the coach) needed to calm him down or I was going to penalize his team. Well, the coach talked to him and he got worse in the second half. So, long story short, we got him removed.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 10:13am
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 10:15am
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
Dont worry, just put it in your box of things you wont do again.
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Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
Should be:

You're right. At the time I thought it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.

Your is to show possession. As in, "Is that your fruit?" In telling someone that he is correct, you need to address that person with the (pronoun?) you, as in "you are correct." Or, with the contraction, "you're right."

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Yes, I have tossed fans before. The proper procedure is to have the game mgmt deal with the person(s). On occasion, I've also gave them a heads up that "if that person keeps up the attitude he's portraying right now, he will be tossed." The intent is to be preventative. So be it if game mgmt uses that info to decide to try and talk the guy down. So far, that mechanic has always worked for me.

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Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
Should be: You're right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.
Actually, it should be: You're right. At the time, I thought it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.

Please, leave it to the pros.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 10:52am
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In some situations you're lucky to find game management anywhere in the gym.
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Re: Re: Mr. Grammer Guy says...

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Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
Should be: You're right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.
Actually, it should be: You're right. At the time, I thought it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.

Please, leave it to the pros.

Yeah, leave it to the pros.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 11:21am
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politly to stop. I was wrong.
Yep, that's the point. Some poeple you just can't talk to politely, and most of them are sitting in the stands.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 11:27am
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.
Yep, that's the point. Some poeple you just can't talk to politely, and most of them are sitting in the stands.
I don’t understand how someone thinks yelling and cursing from the stands is going to help there kid play better.
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In some situations you're lucky to find game management anywhere in the gym.

...and this is why you ALWAYS find out who game management is before you take the floor, and ask them specifically where they will be during the game.
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 01:40pm
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Had a game one night that was a district play-in game (winner won district; loser got second). Big crowd and great game. Middle of 3rd quarter, I first noticed this HUGE cop -- muscle and fitness cover material; not Rosie material. How they got this guy large enough shirts for his arms to fit in the sleeves I'll never know.

Anyway, he was positioned off the baseline within the sideline a couple of feet, as this gym didn't have any "end zone" seating. At this point, we had a play where a kid unsuccessfully tried to save a loose ball out of bounds. He went into the stands and landed in a group of people. This guy, probably in his 50s, was in the middle of the group and got in the kid's face immediately. It wasn't a crash, as everyone protected themselves and the kid eased up. I don't even think the guy was touched more than you would, like, brush someone on their shoulder in a tight hallway.

The kid's instincts said to go after the guy, but as soon as I got between him, he figured out that wasn't a good idea, AND his teammates got there as well. So, I'm on my way to the table to get this fan out of there, and I look back to get a clear description of him, and this cop is taking care of it -- wihtout my asking him. So, I stop for a second to see what happens, and the cop escorts him out. I grab the ball and administer the throw in, and we play on.

Between quarters, I walk up to the cop, who had repositioned himself back to where he was and said, "hey, man, thanks for the help with that fan." The guy looked at me and said, "you're my man!"

I felt very secure after that!
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Old Wed Jan 04, 2006, 08:23pm
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His daughter was playing and was harassing the table and us. So I told the coach that I knew his daughter was on the team that he (the coach) needed to calm him down or I was going to penalize his team. Well, the coach talked to him and he got worse in the second half. So, long story short, we got him removed.
I think you need to be careful with penalizing teams. I had one situation where a player behaved inappropriately and I T'd him. When he walked past me, he swore at me so I T'd him again and he was done. Then a parent started in on me from the stands about my actions. He would not stop so we had to toss the fan. Then to my shock a player on the OPPOSITE TEAM to the player ejected asked "Why did you ask my Dad to leave?" I guess the guy thought he saw a grand injustice and could not sit for it. Never have I had that before or since!
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Yes, I have. However, you should not have addressed the fan at all. You should have pointed him out to game management and let them handle it from the get-go.
Your right. At the time I though it would be less of an issue if I asked him politely to stop. I was wrong.
Yep, that's the point. Some poeple you just can't talk to politely, and most of them are sitting in the stands.
I don’t understand how someone thinks yelling and cursing from the stands is going to help there kid play better.
Who says its about the kid? For that matter, who says the fact that the kid is playing is even about the kid?
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