Calling the flop

[Rich]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

No displacement, I agree....nothing to call.

Notice that I said "plows over"...which I meant to imply substantial displacing contact.

There are those who will refuse to call a foul just because B1 was trying/starting to flop in spite of substantial displacement.

I won't, I'll just call a block and then tell B1 to stop flopping.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Rich Fronheiser

I won't, I'll just call a block and then tell B1 to stop flopping.

How can you justify that? B1 was in LGP falling away from the shooter who then crushed B1. I could almost stomach a no call...but a block? In what way did B1 commit a blocking foul?

[zebraman]

I have seen small guards who start to lean backwards when they are about to get plowed by a 6'6" center who is about the size of a bull elephant. Who can blame them? If the defender gets plowed by the offensive player, it's still a charge even if the defender is starting to give ground. A player can give ground, or even turn, when contact is imminent but that does not shift responsibility for who created the contact.

Z

[BktBallRef]

There's a big difference in leaning and flopping.

[zebraman]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
There's a big difference in leaning and flopping.

Actually, I think a flop in NFHS (the technical that they wanted us to call) means going to the floor with no contact. In that case, it would be impossible for the offensive player to plow the defender. So I would assume that this post refers to leaning backwards (giving ground before contact).

Z

[BktBallRef]

I don't disagree, Z. My point is that I think each of us would probably make similiar calls, looking at the same plays. It's just that when we start using terms like "plowing over," "leaning," and "flopping," we each visualize it differently. But I'm also saying that if he's flopping or leaning, displacement may not be possible or able to be judged. That's why I "lean" toward a no-call (no pun intended).

[zebraman]

Originally posted by BktBallRef
I don't disagree, Z. My point is that I think each of us would probably make similiar calls, looking at the same plays. It's just that when we start using terms like "plowing over," "leaning," and "flopping," we each visualize it differently. But I'm also saying that if he's flopping or leaning, displacement may not be possible or able to be judged. That's why I "lean" toward a no-call (no pun intended).

Agreed. Sometimes discussion forums are a real poor replacement for video. Cumbaya.

Z

[Rich]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

How can you justify that? B1 was in LGP falling away from the shooter who then crushed B1. I could almost stomach a no call...but a block? In what way did B1 commit a blocking foul?

I'm not talking about a play where B1 leans back and A1 puts him in the second row. I'm talking about the play where B1 starts falling to the ground and grunts well before A1 even gets there.

[26 Year Gap]

That's like bailing out some guy out of control in the lane who ends up on the floor. No call.