New and Different Clock Question

[Nevadaref]

Originally posted by Dan_ref


No way are the officials authorized to declare a do-over.

I vote for keeping the count and ending the game when your count gets to 3.

Agreed, Dan.

Originally posted by deecee
with this little time you dont want to stop with 1 second left and have the offensive team re-inbound the ball -- what if coach just called a timeout to draw a play -- he wasted the timeout -- either give all 3 seconds back and let them redo or just count down the time and blow your whistle when the game ends and you can explain that to both coaches and that would be much more fair than having the team with the ball being screwed out of 2 seconds --

if you have definitive knowledge just do the last 3 seconds in your head -- if you dont then redo the 3 seconds -- its not like there is 40 seconds on the clock and you stop at 38 -- team still has a few seconds to get in a good inbounds play that could take 2-3 seconds to develop.

If this were me -- id put back on the 3 seconds since with less that 5 seconds Iwouldnt have ANY counts since it wont matter so I wont be counting anything -- i would be focused on the last shot depending on my position and lookingn for contact and release point and horn.

Under 10 seconds I dont count back court 10 count -- and under 6 seconds I dont count closely guarded. There are much more important things IMO to be focusing on with under 3 seconds than any count (all of which are irrelevant -- I mean who is going to call the 3 second violation here?).

Arrrrrrggggggghhhhhh!!!! I certainly hope that you are a teenager and that you still have plenty of time mature and learn the proper methods of officiating.

Almost everything you advocate is incorrect. You do at least grasp that stopping play and making the team with the ball execute another throw-in with a mere one second on the clock is putting them at a serious disadvantage. There may be hope for you.

First please go read 5.10.2 and tell me how you are going to handle that situation since you purposely weren't counting? That play ruling instructs the official to take time off the clock for the action prior to the foul by using his count! Your count is a piece of official information and has a purpose, even though you don't realize it yet, even with only a few seconds remaining in the game. You need a back-up to the official timepiece! Don't hose yourself by failing to count. You never know when it will save you. 5-10-2 clearly states that an official's count can be used as definite knowledge to correct a timer's error. What other forms of definite knowledge can you think of? Seeing the clock isn't going to help here since it isn't running. Perhaps are you working at a level where a TV monitor is used in your games?

Secondly, the official's count that is referred to in 5-10-2 is the visible count listed in 2-7-9 as one of the officials duties. You advise to count in your head. Nope, no way! If you ever have a clock problem near the end of the game and have to adjust the clock, you better believe that someone is going to produce a video tape of the contest. When you are questioned on how you knew what to set the clock to, telling them you used your count isn't going to fly when they have you on video not showing a visible count. You definitely want that arm swing on tape!

Lastly, and most importantly, there is no concrete rules basis whatsoever for replaying any part of a game, even just the last few seconds. The only authority that you could claim would be 2-3 and that is pretty weak.
What you do have are specific rules governing the correcting of the clock. Hard to say that this isn't covered and use 2-3 when you have 5-10!

There are some officials, even on this forum, who will advocate redos. I am definitely not one of them.

I'm sure that you can speak with those guys from the '72 Olympics for pointers though.