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Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:37pm

Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

ChrisSportsFan Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:39pm

BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

I wonder if this coach is somehow related to A1???

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:39pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Wow, interesting play on words, and it wasn't from Dave! E-mail me details. Names, ranks, serial numbers. I love gossip!

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:44pm

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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:55pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Wow, interesting play on words, and it wasn't from Dave! E-mail me details. Names, ranks, serial numbers. I love gossip!

Mark -- thanks for the gossip. I'm impressed with your partner. It must be the OSU influence. I know my son got a very good education there (and a very good partner!).

I hope your league will give some kind of reprimand to that coach. That statement was very, very unacceptable.

MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice

to you and your family!

TimTaylor Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:14pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

Gosh Mark, it almost sounds like CYO!

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:22pm

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Originally posted by TimTaylor
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

Gosh Mark, it almost sounds like CYO!

There are about 120 boys and 40 girls in this HS division of our local rec league. The boys are broken up into V and JV levels. Many of them are football players looking for something violent to do in the winter. Imagine a defensive cornerback guarding an offensive tackle. This is not uncommon.

The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Frequently, both teams are in double bonus by the end of the first and the third quarters. In our lower grades (3-8), we restrict the teams to a maximum of eight players. We have to allow twelve per team in the boys HS division just due to the number who foul out each game. To make it even worse, the games are played in middle school gyms.

I usually bring at least three whistles, since I wear out about two per game.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:29pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:43pm

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Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

refnrev Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:30pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family! [/B]
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?

Forksref Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:44pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

Make sure you skip the poppyseed ones when faced with an upcoming drug test.

Larks Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:51pm

Kinda similar....last night I had a tough charge call. After I report, I go back to put the ball in play and before we're set, number 10 from the offending team walks toward me and sez "You gotta be shidding me". So I whack him.

Coach to my partner: "Why'd he T him, he was wrong on that call so he sould take a little criticism"

WHAT?!


Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:51pm

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Originally posted by Forksref

Make sure you skip the poppyseed ones when faced with an upcoming drug test.

Ironically, I always flunk them whether or not I've had the muffins. Weird. :eek:

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 08:14pm

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Originally posted by refnrev
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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what? [/B]
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 21, 2005 08:27pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by refnrev
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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

<font color = red>In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college</font>. [/B]
Or smoke a l'il ganja....


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