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Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:37pm

Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

ChrisSportsFan Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:39pm

BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

I wonder if this coach is somehow related to A1???

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:39pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Wow, interesting play on words, and it wasn't from Dave! E-mail me details. Names, ranks, serial numbers. I love gossip!

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 05:55pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Wow, interesting play on words, and it wasn't from Dave! E-mail me details. Names, ranks, serial numbers. I love gossip!

Mark -- thanks for the gossip. I'm impressed with your partner. It must be the OSU influence. I know my son got a very good education there (and a very good partner!).

I hope your league will give some kind of reprimand to that coach. That statement was very, very unacceptable.

MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice

to you and your family!

TimTaylor Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:14pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

Gosh Mark, it almost sounds like CYO!

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:22pm

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Originally posted by TimTaylor
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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
BV rec? Is this the best players who didn't make their HS team?

No.

Gosh Mark, it almost sounds like CYO!

There are about 120 boys and 40 girls in this HS division of our local rec league. The boys are broken up into V and JV levels. Many of them are football players looking for something violent to do in the winter. Imagine a defensive cornerback guarding an offensive tackle. This is not uncommon.

The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Frequently, both teams are in double bonus by the end of the first and the third quarters. In our lower grades (3-8), we restrict the teams to a maximum of eight players. We have to allow twelve per team in the boys HS division just due to the number who foul out each game. To make it even worse, the games are played in middle school gyms.

I usually bring at least three whistles, since I wear out about two per game.

WhistlesAndStripes Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:29pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 06:43pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

refnrev Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:30pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family! [/B]
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?

Forksref Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:44pm

Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

Make sure you skip the poppyseed ones when faced with an upcoming drug test.

Larks Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:51pm

Kinda similar....last night I had a tough charge call. After I report, I go back to put the ball in play and before we're set, number 10 from the offending team walks toward me and sez "You gotta be shidding me". So I whack him.

Coach to my partner: "Why'd he T him, he was wrong on that call so he sould take a little criticism"

WHAT?!


Mark Padgett Wed Dec 21, 2005 07:51pm

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Originally posted by Forksref

Make sure you skip the poppyseed ones when faced with an upcoming drug test.

Ironically, I always flunk them whether or not I've had the muffins. Weird. :eek:

rainmaker Wed Dec 21, 2005 08:14pm

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Originally posted by refnrev
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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what? [/B]
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college.

Jurassic Referee Wed Dec 21, 2005 08:27pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by refnrev
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Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

<font color = red>In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college</font>. [/B]
Or smoke a l'il ganja....

refnrev Wed Dec 21, 2005 10:23pm

I think I'll stick to my usual politcally incorrect manner of doing things and say something radical like, "Merry Christmas!"

Blind & lovin' it Thu Dec 22, 2005 12:14am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
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Originally posted by refnrev
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college. [/B]
Progressive Party? Sounds like the mules are sick of the "D" word.

Should of went to the community college. Why take "Electromagnetics 315" when "Big Words and how to make them up 101" is available?


bob jenkins Thu Dec 22, 2005 09:45am

Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Should of went to the community college. Why take "Electromagnetics 315" when "Big Words and how to make them up 101" is available?


Should "of" taken English 101.


Blind & lovin' it Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:01am

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Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Should of went to the community college. Why take "Electromagnetics 315" when "Big Words and how to make them up 101" is available?


Should "of" taken English 101.


Ok, you have stumped me. Why is the "of" in quotation marks? The sentence I began with "Should of" is a fragment sentence, but I believe the "of" part is correct. Unfortunately, I must admit, my mother is a high school English teacher and all four of her sons cannot tell a adverb from a pronoun. We remain productive in society only with the assistance of the spelling and grammer checkers available on word processors today.


Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:18am

Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Should of went to the community college. Why take "Electromagnetics 315" when "Big Words and how to make them up 101" is available?


Should "of" taken English 101.


Ok, you have stumped me. Why is the "of" in quotation marks? The sentence I began with "Should of" is a fragment sentence, but I believe the "of" part is correct. Unfortunately, I must admit, my mother is a high school English teacher and all four of her sons cannot tell a adverb from a pronoun. We remain productive in society only with the assistance of the spelling and grammer checkers available on word processors today.


Classic case of the shoemaker's kids going barefoot apparently :) What Mr. Grammar Guy was getting at is that your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have." I'll go one further, your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have gone." But hey, I'm just an upstart, wannabe Mr. Grammar Guy, filling in during the holidays :D

bob jenkins Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:51am

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Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
Should of went to the community college. Why take "Electromagnetics 315" when "Big Words and how to make them up 101" is available?


Should "of" taken English 101.


Ok, you have stumped me. Why is the "of" in quotation marks? The sentence I began with "Should of" is a fragment sentence, but I believe the "of" part is correct. Unfortunately, I must admit, my mother is a high school English teacher and all four of her sons cannot tell a adverb from a pronoun. We remain productive in society only with the assistance of the spelling and grammer checkers available on word processors today.


Classic case of the shoemaker's kids going barefoot apparently :) What Mr. Grammar Guy was getting at is that your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have." I'll go one further, your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have gone." But hey, I'm just an upstart, wannabe Mr. Grammar Guy, filling in during the holidays :D

Correct. I was going to write " Should 'of gone and done tooked' English 101," but I thought that would have been piling on. ;)

rainmaker Thu Dec 22, 2005 05:11pm

Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
What Mr. Grammar Guy was getting at is that your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have." I'll go one further, your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have gone." But hey, I'm just an upstart, wannabe Mr. Grammar Guy, filling in during the holidays :D
Correct. I was going to write " Should 'of gone and done tooked' English 101," but I thought that would have been piling on....

... and it would still have been incorrect. The appropriate piling on correction would be, "Should 'of <i>done gone and </i>tooked..."

But I'm not worried. You 3rd and 4th year people have to keep trying. You'll get it sooner or later.

Back In The Saddle Thu Dec 22, 2005 05:33pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
What Mr. Grammar Guy was getting at is that your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have." I'll go one further, your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have gone." But hey, I'm just an upstart, wannabe Mr. Grammar Guy, filling in during the holidays :D
Correct. I was going to write " Should 'of gone and done tooked' English 101," but I thought that would have been piling on....

... and it would still have been incorrect. The appropriate piling on correction would be, "Should 'of <i>done gone and </i>tooked..."

But I'm not worried. You 3rd and 4th year people have to keep trying. You'll get it sooner or later.

I always wanted to be a good grammar talker. Now I are one. :D

Mark Padgett Thu Dec 22, 2005 08:20pm

I'm so freakin' happy I started this thread.

Mark Dexter Thu Dec 22, 2005 08:48pm

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Originally posted by Blind & lovin' it
We remain productive in society only with the assistance of the spelling and grammer checkers available on word processors today.


Radix malorum . . .

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Dec 22, 2005 11:19pm

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Boys V rec - maybe that's your answer right there. Middle of Q3. A1 and B1 have been bumping in the post all night and some fouls have been called. All of a sudden, B1 punches A1 right in the mouth and knocks him down to the floor (actually, that's pretty impressive if you think about it). My partner, who is lead, jumps right in a keeps them separated. I run over (about the only time all night I actually ran) to help prevent any further action.

B1 is ejected for the flagrant and my partner goes over to report it. Before he can finish, coach A yells the following at him, "Why didn't you let my player have a chance to retaliate? That's only fair. You've got to call it both ways. (italics mine for emphasis)

At first, we both thought he was kidding because if it was a joke, it was pretty funny. But he wasn't. Here's my partner's response. "Coach, advocating violence here can certainly be construed as flagrant unsportsmanlike conduct which would carry an ejection and suspension. I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt this time and assume you just weren't thinking straight. I trust you will not say another word on this subject."

That statement really floored me! I never knew my partner could properly use the word "construed". He must have stayed at a Holiday Inn Express the night before.

Wow, interesting play on words, and it wasn't from Dave! E-mail me details. Names, ranks, serial numbers. I love gossip!

Mark -- thanks for the gossip. I'm impressed with your partner. It must be the OSU influence. I know my son got a very good education there (and a very good partner!).

I hope your league will give some kind of reprimand to that coach. That statement was very, very unacceptable.

MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice

to you and your family!


I should hope that anybody that graduated from The Ohio State University would get a very good education. Go Bucks!!

MTD, Sr.

rainmaker Fri Dec 23, 2005 12:52am

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Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker

Mark -- thanks for the gossip. I'm impressed with your partner. It must be the OSU influence. I know my son got a very good education there (and a very good partner!).

I hope your league will give some kind of reprimand to that coach. That statement was very, very unacceptable.

MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice

to you and your family!


I should hope that anybody that graduated from The Ohio State University would get a very good education. Go Bucks!!

MTD, Sr.

Uh.... yea, right....

whatever...

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Fri Dec 23, 2005 02:43am

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Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker

Mark -- thanks for the gossip. I'm impressed with your partner. It must be the OSU influence. I know my son got a very good education there (and a very good partner!).

I hope your league will give some kind of reprimand to that coach. That statement was very, very unacceptable.

MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice

to you and your family!


I should hope that anybody that graduated from The Ohio State University would get a very good education. Go Bucks!!

MTD, Sr.

Uh.... yea, right....

whatever...



Juulie:

I knew you meant Oklahoma State University. LOL

MTD, Sr.

johnny1784 Fri Dec 23, 2005 08:51am

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by bob jenkins
Quote:

Originally posted by Back In The Saddle
What Mr. Grammar Guy was getting at is that your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have." I'll go one further, your statement should properly have begun with the phrase: "Should have gone." But hey, I'm just an upstart, wannabe Mr. Grammar Guy, filling in during the holidays :D
Correct. I was going to write " Should 'of gone and done tooked' English 101," but I thought that would have been piling on....

... and it would still have been incorrect. The appropriate piling on correction would be, "Should 'of <i>done gone and </i>tooked..."

But I'm not worried. You 3rd and 4th year people have to keep trying. You'll get it sooner or later.


It's not the number of years, it’s the ability that measures up.

Some old vets do not have a clue while some 3rd/4th year guy's/gal's, got it going on.

I sure would be worried!

;)




Mark Padgett Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:38pm

Quote:

Originally posted by johnny1784

I sure would be worried!

My eyes must be going. The first time I read this, I thought it said "I sure would be wormed!"

ChuckElias Sat Dec 24, 2005 12:57pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Forksref
Make sure you skip the poppyseed ones when faced with an upcoming drug test.
Ironically, I always flunk them whether or not I've had the muffins. Weird. :eek:

I find that fact neither ironic nor weird, after reading your posts for the last several years. ;)

Dan_ref Sat Dec 24, 2005 02:45pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

Mark, you're slippin'.

Used to be all the mom had to do to get her kid some special privilege was wear a low cut tight fitting sweater, smile sweetly and enthusiastically cheer her team on while sitting in the front row.

Now she's gotta bring you muffins... it's a sad day. A sad, sad day indeed...

Dan_ref Sat Dec 24, 2005 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
Quote:

Originally posted by refnrev
Quote:

Originally posted by rainmaker
MerHapJammin’ SolRamaChrisKwanzHanuMasNukaDanZaaStice
to you and your family!
__________________________________________________ ________
Say what?
It's the politically correct winter greeting that my son devised to send to all his Progressive Party friends and acquaintances.

It incorporates Christmas, Ramadan, Solstice, Kwanzaa, Hannukah, and I think the Jammin' thing refers to a Rastafarian holiday.

In order to say it properly you have to take a seminar at the community college. [/B]
Not to be a nitpicker, but someone oughta tell your son that Ramadan generally arrives around late September or early October. Far too soon for the winter greeting season.

Mark Padgett Sat Dec 24, 2005 07:35pm

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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
Quote:

Originally posted by Whistles & Stripes
Quote:

Originally posted by Mark Padgett
The games are pretty rough, as you can imagine. In fact, in one game I called an illegal chop block on a player.

Is there such a thing as a LEGAL chop block? I've only been officiating football for 2 years, so I'm not sure if there's any chop blocks that are legal.

Yeah - we have a special rule for this league. A chop block is legal if the perpetrator's mother bakes me some muffins prior to the game, preferably lemon poppyseed with almonds.

Mark, you're slippin'.

Used to be all the mom had to do to get her kid some special privilege was wear a low cut tight fitting sweater, smile sweetly and enthusiastically cheer her team on while sitting in the front row.

Now she's gotta bring you muffins... it's a sad day. A sad, sad day indeed...

It's called "getting old".

Jurassic Referee Sat Dec 24, 2005 08:35pm

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Originally posted by Mark Padgett
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Originally posted by Dan_ref
Mark, you're slippin'.

Used to be all the mom had to do to get her kid some special privilege was wear a low cut tight fitting sweater, smile sweetly and enthusiastically cheer her team on while sitting in the front row.

Now she's gotta bring you muffins... it's a sad day. A sad, sad day indeed... [/B]
It's called "getting old". [/B][/QUOTE]Naw, "getting old" ain't the same as "getting dead". :D


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