Stuck Net

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee


How about...

Rule 1-10 BASKET SIZE, MATERIAL
ART. 1 . . . Each basket shall consist of a single metal ring, 18 inches in inside diameter, its flange and braces, and a white-cord 12-mesh net, 15 to 18 inches in length, suspended from beneath the ring.

I don't...and won't.

Apples and oranges..... and trying to make a rule fit that has nuthin' to do with the actual stuation. [/B][/QUOTE]

What part of "net...suspended from beneath the ring" doesn't fit?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

I don't...and won't.

Apples and oranges..... and trying to make a rule fit that has nuthin' to do with the actual stuation.

What part of "net...suspended from beneath the ring" doesn't fit? [/B][/QUOTE]Where may I find a rule directing an official to immediately fix the net when it's hung up? I also take it that you'll stop play immediately to fix the net as soon as you see it's hung up, even though a player may be all alone on the break. Correct?

As for Nevada, how can you say you agree with Camron, and then also say that you'll stop play at the first opportunity instead of stopping play immediately? You guys can't have it both ways if you try to use that argument.

Iow, I respect your opinion. However, I don't agree with it.

[Nevadaref]

JR,
I did not see Camron write that he would immediately stop play to fix the net. Maybe he does, I don't know. I'll wait for him to clarify.
I took his comments in the context of responding to the following:

Originally posted by ChrisSportsFan
"I am not aware of anything that directs us to stop play to fix it. I generally wait til the next dead ball situation."

CSF seems to indicate that he would not stop the game right when the net got hung up nor would he stop it if play continued for a while without a dead ball. He says that he waits until the next dead ball.

I handle it more in the spirit of what is given in 5-8-2 Note for stopping play for an injured player. I'll stop it if the team attacking the opposite basket is not attempting to score or when the team attacking the tangled basket gains possession unless they have an immediate opportunity for an easy score.

For the record, I believe that while there is no directive in the rules book, case book, or officials manual stating to stop the game for a wrapped net, that this situation is not something the officials can just totally ignore.

I once watched a crew administer FTs while the net was tangled at the other end and never do anything about it. All that did was tick off the coach when his team got the rebound and came down the court to run their offense.

I have also seen the net get caught around the ring when a goal was not scored. A player smacked the net in attempting to block shot or perhaps it was during rebounding action. Anyway, the offensive team got the rebound and had two more quick opportunities to score, which were unsuccessful before a defender got a rebound and I stopped the game to fix the net.

I hope that clarifies my position on this.
In short, don't just let it go, take care of it at an appropriate time, and preferably soon.

[Edited by Nevadaref on Dec 21st, 2005 at 08:17 AM]

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Nevadaref
In short, don't just let it go, take care of it at an appropriate time, and preferably soon.

Isn't that exactly what the people on the other side of the argument are saying also, Nevada?

Only they're saying that an official stopping play himself isn't really the "appropriate" time , and you're saying it is. Iow, it all comes back to a judgement call. No?

[ChrisSportsFan]

I hear alot of preaching about "game interrupters" and how they hurt the game. Generally, this is in context to calling unneccessary fouls but IMO, it also applies to the net. If it appears that the net is wrapped in such a way that it would prevent the ball from passing thru, they yes, fix it before a bigger problem ensues.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
What part of "net...suspended from beneath the ring" doesn't fit?

Camron, I have the utmost respect for you from your posts and you are always a positive contributor, which everybody appreciates. But, in my humble opinion, you're making a very silly argument. The net is still suspended beneath the ring, even if it's contacting the ring in an unusual way. It's certainly not suspended above the ring. It's not hovering in midair. It's suspended from the ring.

The fact that it's attached at all the usual places, and also touching the top of the ring in one unusual place doesn't mean that it's no longer suspended from the ring.

[BktBallRef]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
I don't...and won't.

Apples and oranges..... and trying to make a rule fit that has nuthin' to do with the actual stuation.

Agreed.

Never have stopped for it, never will.

[observer]

IF you stopped play to fix the net,
would you allow a sub awaiting at the
table to enter? I would NOT

[tweetz]

what if team A scores, net gets stuck, then fast break the other way, then they come back down and shoot again, but during A1's try for the basket his teammate jumps up quickly and fixes it? interference?

[Stan]

Originally posted by observer
IF you stopped play to fix the net,
would you allow a sub awaiting at the
table to enter? I would NOT

Observer, I take you to mean that you would not stop play for the net. If a player has fulfilled 3-3-1-d and I stopped play for the net, I think the player should be allowed in.

I expect someone will take 3-3-2 and say the ball is about to become live and deny entry.

[Ref Daddy]

Originally posted by BktBallRef

Agreed.

Never have stopped for it, never will.

As we all know the ball must pass thru the net to be a valid score. If crew leaves it disrupted - even potentially a hinderence to a score - is that a correct call?

Hmmmmm.....

[rainmaker]

The question is whether the basket will affect a shot -- whether the basket is in such a circumstance that it prevents the ball from going "in". I've never seen this, although I suppose it could happen. Usually, the net is just lying on top of the ring, and at the first jiggle, it falls down. I've never seen a ball be deflected out of the basket by the net being hung up. If the net were snagged on one of the hooks, it would make sense to undo it. But if it's just flipped up, and it keeps doing it, and it never affects the shots, I'm not going to fix it. Too annoying.

[Mark Dexter]

Originally posted by observer
IF you stopped play to fix the net,
would you allow a sub awaiting at the
table to enter? I would NOT

Whistle = clock stopped, ball dead.

NFHS rules - you have to let the sub come in.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

What part of "net...suspended from beneath the ring" doesn't fit?

Where may I find a rule directing an official to immediately fix the net when it's hung up? I also take it that you'll stop play immediately to fix the net as soon as you see it's hung up, even though a player may be all alone on the break. Correct?

As for Nevada, how can you say you agree with Camron, and then also say that you'll stop play at the first opportunity instead of stopping play immediately? You guys can't have it both ways if you try to use that argument.

Iow, I respect your opinion. However, I don't agree with it. [/B][/QUOTE]

I never said I would stop it immediately. Like someone else has said, I would address it as soon as no direct attack on the basket was in progress.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by ChuckElias

Camron, I have the utmost respect for you from your posts and you are always a positive contributor, which everybody appreciates. But, in my humble opinion, you're making a very silly argument. The net is still suspended beneath the ring, even if it's contacting the ring in an unusual way. It's certainly not suspended above the ring. It's not hovering in midair. It's suspended from the ring.

The fact that it's attached at all the usual places, and also touching the top of the ring in one unusual place doesn't mean that it's no longer suspended from the ring.

If the net is lying across the top of the rim, it's not suspended at all. If the net is just a little tangled but entirely below the rim, I may let it be until the next whistle. It depends on how stuck it appears to be.