Stuck Net

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by observer
IF you stopped play to fix the net,
would you allow a sub awaiting at the
table to enter? I would NOT

Yes. If there is a whistle for ANY reason, it creates an opportunity for any ready sub to enter the game (except before the 1st FT of 2 or before the 2nd of 3.)

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rainmaker
The question is whether the basket will affect a shot -- whether the basket is in such a circumstance that it prevents the ball from going "in". I've never seen this, although I suppose it could happen. Usually, the net is just lying on top of the ring, and at the first jiggle, it falls down. I've never seen a ball be deflected out of the basket by the net being hung up. If the net were snagged on one of the hooks, it would make sense to undo it. But if it's just flipped up, and it keeps doing it, and it never affects the shots, I'm not going to fix it. Too annoying.

A net laying freely across the rim could and does affect every shot that comes into contact with it. The trajectory of a bounce is altered by the presence of the net. The path of a ball rolling around the rim is altered as well. Whether it changes any particular shot from a make to a miss (or vice versa) will never be known but why let it become a potential issue. If a game winning shot is rolling around the rim such that it looks like it'll go in but hits the net and then misses, it's going to be a absolutle mess when you could have fixed it on the previous trip down the floor. If this happens, you're probably going to have one more call to make in that game(and it starts with a T).

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
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I never said I would stop it immediately. Like someone else has said, I would address it as soon as no direct attack on the basket was in progress.

[/B][/QUOTE]How is that philosophy really any different than the posters who say they'll wait for a natural whistle? Aren't both sides just using their own best judgement as to when they think that play should stop? Who's to say who's judgement is wrong then?

Btw, team A is losing by 4 with a few seconds left in the game. They don't have any time-outs left. A1 makes a three-pointer to put them 1 point down with 5 seconds to go. The net flips up when the shot is made. Are you going to stop play because "no direct attack on the basket was in progress"?

[Rich]

Originally posted by observer
IF you stopped play to fix the net,
would you allow a sub awaiting at the
table to enter? I would NOT

If you stop the game, you have to allow the sub. I don't stop the game.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

I never said I would stop it immediately. Like someone else has said, I would address it as soon as no direct attack on the basket was in progress.

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How is that philosophy really any different than the posters who say they'll wait for a natural whistle? Aren't both sides just using their own best judgement as to when they think that play should stop? Who's to say who's judgement is wrong then?

Btw, team A is losing by 4 with a few seconds left in the game. They don't have any time-outs left. A1 makes a three-pointer to put them 1 point down with 5 seconds to go. The net flips up when the shot is made. Are you going to stop play because "no direct attack on the basket was in progress"? [/B][/QUOTE]

That "natural whistle" may be in 10 seconds or 3-4 minutes away. How many shot attempt will have occurred in that time? There will often be several opportunities before a "natural whistle" occurs to fix it without taking away a team's advantage.

In the last 5 seconds, I'm not going to stop the game. Akin to the case place covering other endgame issues, I'd let the clock run.

ommon sense is to be applied when choosing to stop the clock....don't do it at a time when one team would directly benefit or be harmed from it.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
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common sense is to be applied when choosing to stop the clock....don't do it at a time when one team would directly benefit or be harmed from it. [/B][/QUOTE]Which still leaves the question.....which one of the groups on the different sides arguing this one have the correct common sense?

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Camron Rust

A net laying freely across the rim could and does affect every shot that comes into contact with it. The trajectory of a bounce is altered by the presence of the net. The path of a ball rolling around the rim is altered as well. Whether it changes any particular shot from a make to a miss (or vice versa) will never be known but why let it become a potential issue. If a game winning shot is rolling around the rim such that it looks like it'll go in but hits the net and then misses, it's going to be a absolutle mess when you could have fixed it on the previous trip down the floor. If this happens, you're probably going to have one more call to make in that game(and it starts with a T).

I've never seen a net laying freely across the rim that didn't fall down at the first jostle. When that becomes an issue, I"ll follow your suggestion.

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by rainmaker

I've never seen a net laying freely across the rim that didn't fall down at the first jostle. When that becomes an issue, I"ll follow your suggestion.

That very first contact may be the one that is altered by the presence of the net. Even if it does return to its normal position on that contact, is it fair that the team may miss the shot because of the net being out of place?

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Camron Rust
That very first contact may be the one that is altered by the presence of the net. Even if it does return to its normal position on that contact, is it fair that the team may miss the shot because of the net being out of place?

Again, Camron, this is just silly. How many times have you seen a shot altered by a net "laying freely" on the rim? Me? NEVER. Not one time. In 25 years. EVER. The only way the flipped net will affect the shot is if it's pulled so tight that it can only be done on purpose.