"On the floor"

[jdccpa]

I attended an IAABO camp this summer.

IAABO's feeling was that too many unapproved signals were creeping into the game at all levels. They insisted on us using only proper mechanics and approved signals.

We were told not say such things as "on the floor" or "before the shot" and never ever put up one or two fingers immediately after blowing your whistle.
It was: be poised, under control and businesslike.

And no need to "sell" calls by doing such things as hopping across the court while "signaling" the block foul call.

It was: whistle (immediately spit out the whistle),fist straight up and high, color, number, prelim foul signal, tell partner who is shooting and how many or where ball is coming in from....hustle to reporting area, stop, gather your thoughs and report.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by jdccpa

IAABO's feeling was that too many unapproved signals were creeping into the game at all levels. They insisted on us using only proper mechanics and approved signals.

You do realize that IAABO mechanics are not approved mechanics though, right? Iirc, IAABO uses some of their own mechanics that are completely different than the ones found in the NFHS Officials Manual. It's fine to use those IAABO mechanics if IAABO is the governing body in your state. For states where IAABO isn't the governing body, which is most states, IAABO mechanics and interpretations are neither valid or approved.

The only approved mechanics and signals are the ones issued by the NFHS. Individual state bodies may choose to use different mechanics, but those mechanics are only valid and approved for that state.

IAABO is a rules-interpretive body, not a rules-making body. The same holds true for mechanics and signals also, unless a particular state governing body also votes to adopt IAABO-recommended mechanics. Just wanted to clear that up.

[ChuckElias]

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee

You do realize that IAABO mechanics are not approved mechanics though, right? Iirc, IAABO uses some of their own mechanics that are completely different than the ones found in the NFHS Officials Manual.

For example. . .?

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by ChuckElias

For example. . .?

2 whistle-- positioning for TO's and also coverage of the lead's sideline above the FT line, as per your post in this thread:

IAABO vs. NFHS

OK?

[rainmaker]

Originally Posted by jdccpa

.... gather your thoughs .....

Those darn thoughs, it's like sweeping water!

[Texref]

To nitpick only, if a player shoots, then a shot occured. To say "no shot" isn't as accurate as "on the floor." I personally say "no shot" as well. Just a curious thought that someone mentioned to me. Enjoy.

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Texref
To nitpick only, if a player shoots, then a shot occured. To say "no shot" isn't as accurate as "on the floor." I personally say "no shot" as well.

If a player throws the ball toward his/her basket after the ball has become dead, then it's not a try. So there's been "no shot".

"On the floor" is irrelevant to whether a player is in the act of shooting when the foul occured. The player can be on the floor and still be in the act of shooting. A player can be airborne and not be in the act of shooting. Stating the player's location is not an accurate reason for counting or cancelling the goal.

[Texref]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ChuckElias
[B]

Originally posted by Texref
To nitpick only, if a player shoots, then a shot occured. To say "no shot" isn't as accurate as "on the floor." I personally say "no shot" as well.

If a player throws the ball toward his/her basket after the ball has become dead, then it's not a try. So there's been "no shot".

If a player shoots the ball, it may not be a try, but it is still a shot at the basket. Just b/c its after the whistle has blown doesn't change that fact. I was just pointing out that it is kind of an incorrect description and that "on the floor" or just "floor" might be better.

I'm also arguing just to argue now. Sorry. Have a great day!

[ChuckElias]

Originally posted by Texref
If a player shoots the ball, it may not be a try, but it is still a shot at the basket.

The crowd may think it's a shot, the player and his coach may think it's a shot. But it's not a shot.

"on the floor" or just "floor" might be better.

It's not better for the reasons I stated above; namely, that it's irrelevant to what the official is really trying to say.

I'm used to arguing for the fun of it, so no offense taken. Argue.

[Texref]

You mean we aren't there to communicate with the fans?! If everyone thinks its a shot, then we look like dumbass' (or dumbasses?) when we say "no shot!" But I digress, we all look like idiots to the fans anyways.

[Kelvin green]

How about "before the shot"?

When you call a close foul here what is the mechanic? In my neck of the woods many officials will even give the no shot/no score signal as a preliminary to sell it so that everyone knows there is No Shot involved.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by ChuckElias
"On the floor" is irrelevant to whether a player is in the act of shooting when the foul occured. The player can be on the floor and still be in the act of shooting. A player can be airborne and not be in the act of shooting. Stating the player's location is not an accurate reason for counting or cancelling the goal.

Just for the record, when I do say "On the floor" I don't mean where the player was when the foul was committed. I mean where the player will be when the ball is put into play.

[Mregor]

Originally posted by rainmaker
Just for the record, when I do say "On the floor" I don't mean where the player was when the foul was committed. I mean where the player will be when the ball is put into play. [/B]

I'm with you on this one. I use it to mean we are taking the ball out on the floor rather than shooting FT's. I have used both. "No shot" while waving the shot off and then pointing to the succeeding trhow-in spot I'll say "on the floor". But I never say, "over the back".

[M&M Guy]

Originally posted by rainmaker

Just for the record, when I do say "On the floor" I don't mean where the player was when the foul was committed. I mean where the player will be when the ball is put into play.

Ok, so I'm feelin' a little argumentative:

Are you saying the player can't jump up in the air and pass the ball inbounds?

[Camron Rust]

Originally posted by M&M Guy

Ok, so I'm feelin' a little argumentative:

Are you saying the player can't jump up in the air and pass the ball inbounds?

Or that aplayer must levitate in order to get a free throw.