Contact Lenses

[Bad Zebra]

Since when is it a basketball officials responsibility to render a medical opinion on fitness of a player? I want NO PART of that determination. If there's a question of unconsciousness, get the proper medical attention through game management and let them render an opinion. Talk about opening a can of worms...can you imagine what kind of questions that would spawn on the Federation exam?

[walter]

I'm just saying, for example, if A1 goes up for a shot/rebound/loose ball whatever, and gets hit in the head, falls to the floor, or falls to the floor and hits his head, and appears to me to be unconscious (eyes closed, not moving, non-responsive), that player is not coming back into my game without a note from a doctor saying he can. Rule 2, Section 8, Art. 5 Officials' Additional Duties, The officials SHALL "determine when a player is apparently unconscious. The player may not return to play in the game without written authorization from a physician (MD/DO)". That gives an official the ability to make that call.

[Bad Zebra]

"gets hit in the head, falls to the floor, or falls to the floor and hits his head, and appears to me to be unconscious (eyes closed, not moving, non-responsive), that player is not coming back into my game"

Exactly. No need to see his eyes/contacts here. Any one of the three conditions you stated (eyes closed, not moving, non-responsive)after a whack on the noggin buys him a bench pass the remainder of the game if I'm the R.

[Jurassic Referee]

I agree.

Of course, all this has still got nuthin' to do with the original question asked in this thread--i.e. whether the contacts described are illegal or not in the first place.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
I agree.

Of course, all this has still got nuthin' to do with the original question asked in this thread--i.e. whether the contacts described are illegal or not in the first place.

Except that, when asked, the original post-er said that he thought they might be since it would make it difficult to determine whether or not someone was unconscious.

[walter]

I guess the only thing that comes close to addressing the contacts is Rule 3-5 which deals with Team Members Equipment/Apparel. Although none of the articles address the contacts directly, the first statement, "The referee shall not any team member to wear any equipment or apparel which, in his/her JUDGMENT, is dangerous or CONFUSING to other players or is not appropriate." I guess if someone from the opposing team were to question/complain about the contacts, it would be within the official's right to determine if they fit the definition of confusing items and make the player change them if he/she wanted to play. This is the closest I can come to finding a rule addressing it. I know there are some weird colored contacts out there so it could lead us down a slippery slope if we start inspecting eyes for "confusing contacts". I must admit we have an official in our board who, for every girls game she officiates, makes all the players line up before the game and inspects their fingernails and ponytails "in accordance with Rule 3-7". Drives her partners crazy but she'll never change as long as that rule is there.

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by walter
I must admit we have an official in our board who, for every girls game she officiates, makes all the players line up before the game and inspects their fingernails and ponytails "in accordance with Rule 3-7". Drives her partners crazy but she'll never change as long as that rule is there.

I always check for nails, although I don't do the line-up thing like a cleat check in soccer. Long nails are extremely dangerous, and i can't imagine a coach letting the girls play with them uncut. I've disallowed players a couple of times because of nails.

[bob jenkins]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee
I agree.

Of course, all this has still got nuthin' to do with the original question asked in this thread--i.e. whether the contacts described are illegal or not in the first place.

If these become somewhat common, I suspect the NFHS will rule, much as it did during the "flashing light shoe" fad several years ago.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by walter
I guess the only thing that comes close to addressing the contacts is Rule 3-5 which deals with Team Members Equipment/Apparel. Although none of the articles address the contacts directly, the first statement, "The referee shall not any team member to wear any equipment or apparel which, in his/her JUDGMENT, is dangerous or CONFUSING to other players or is not appropriate."

Would you let players wear sunglasses while playing?

The point I was making was that if the R sez get 'em out, the player has to remove 'em. Strictly the R's judgement. Of course, the R in that player's next game might OK 'em too.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

If these become somewhat common, I suspect the NFHS will rule, much as it did during the "flashing light shoe" fad several years ago.

Or American flags.......or compression shorts, do-rags, commemorative players' #s, undershirts, elastics on wrists, wristbands worn on biceps....or whatever else comes up that the FED wants to specify or identify.

[mick]

Originally posted by bob jenkins

If these become somewhat common, I suspect the NFHS will rule, much as it did during the "flashing light shoe" fad several years ago.

What's the flashing shoe rule?
Thanks.
mick

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally posted by mick

What's the flashing shoe rule?
Thanks.
mick

The FED even threw a case book play in on that one, Mick---3.5SitC(a).

Thou shall not wear shoes that have lights shining off and on.

[mick]

Originally posted by Jurassic Referee

The FED even threw a case book play in on that one, Mick---3.5SitC(a).

Thou shall not wear shoes that have lights shining off and on.

Cool.
Thanks, JR.
mick

[Dave Dow]

I was at the eye doctors getting my contacts. While I was waiting they had an article about a new type of contact lens that baseball players were trying out. It was called red eye, it is suppose to help you in the movement of the ball coming in to the strike zone. I suppose you can use it also for basketball. The article went further to say that the lens will help you with any fast movements when trying to detect them. Maybe I should get a pair for all the calls I have missed so far this season. HA HA

[rainmaker]

Originally posted by Dave Dow
I was at the eye doctors getting my contacts. While I was waiting they had an article about a new type of contact lens that baseball players were trying out. It was called red eye, it is suppose to help you in the movement of the ball coming in to the strike zone. I suppose you can use it also for basketball. The article went further to say that the lens will help you with any fast movements when trying to detect them. Maybe I should get a pair for all the calls I have missed so far this season. HA HA

Cool idea!! Glad to see you back on the board, Dave.