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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 02:49pm
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Had a player last year that had on the new contacts that had a design on them, they looked like a bullseye. Apperantly the kids can see fine through them but are they legal. If the player were to hit his head on the floor and become unconscious, there would be no way for an official, Dr., coach etc... to look at his pupils.

Would you or would you not let this player play?
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:02pm
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Which rule would you cite to prevent him from playing?
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:04pm
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Had a player last year that had on the new contacts that had a design on them, they looked like a bullseye. Apperantly the kids can see fine through them but are they legal. If the player were to hit his head on the floor and become unconscious, there would be no way for an official, Dr., coach etc... to look at his pupils.

Would you or would you not let this player play?
My initial reponse would be to let him play. There is no rule banning these certain types of contacts, there is no unfair advantage gained by these contacts, and they pose no immediate danger to him or to other players during play. I think you start to tread on dangerous ground if you keep players from playing because something might happen. And even then, you don't know for sure they would pose any additional problem that a "regular" contact wouldn't.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:14pm
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That makes sense. I likened the rule to that of the visor in football. All visors in football must be clear (unless the player has a dr. note) The reason for the clear visor is so that you can see the pupils of the player.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:18pm
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That makes sense. I likened the rule to that of the visor in football. All visors in football must be clear (unless the player has a dr. note) The reason for the clear visor is so that you can see the pupils of the player.
Why would you use a football rule in basketball? If it isn't a rule, it isn't a rule.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:21pm
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OK buddy,

Thanks for your input. It had been extremely helpful!
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:23pm
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Had a player last year that had on the new contacts that had a design on them, they looked like a bullseye. Apperantly the kids can see fine through them but are they legal. If the player were to hit his head on the floor and become unconscious, there would be no way for an official, Dr., coach etc... to look at his pupils.

Would you or would you not let this player play?
When checking the pupils, which would consist of us lifting the eye lid if they were uncoscious...we would slide the contact off the eye at that time...

If they were conscious and we needed to check them...ask the player to remove the contact temporarily...if you are having to check their pupils they are going to the bench, they'll have time to put them back in before coming back...
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:27pm
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OK buddy,

Thanks for your input. It had been extremely helpful!
You're welcome! I was simply trying to convey to you that if you start making up rules, you're going to get yourself in trouble in more ways than one. So much for having thick skin...sheesh.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:28pm
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I agree that there's nothing in the rules to prevent wearing them now, but maybe this is somthing the states and NFHS need to be made aware of so we can get a definite ruling on it. I wouldn't think, judging by most of the other uniform regulations, that this would be something they would want to see on the basketball floor.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:30pm
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I agree that there's nothing in the rules to prevent wearing them now, but maybe this is somthing the states and NFHS need to be made aware of so we can get a definite ruling on it. I wouldn't think, judging by most of the other uniform regulations, that this would be something they would want to see on the basketball floor.
You just never know!
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:30pm
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I agree that there's nothing in the rules to prevent wearing them now, but maybe this is somthing the states and NFHS need to be made aware of so we can get a definite ruling on it. I wouldn't think, judging by most of the other uniform regulations, that this would be something they would want to see on the basketball floor.
I agree, but until it is addressed formally in the rules, there's not much we can do about it.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:32pm
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OK buddy,

Thanks for your input. It had been extremely helpful!
You're welcome! I was simply trying to convey to you that if you start making up rules, you're going to get yourself in trouble in more ways than one. So much for having thick skin...sheesh.
The kid played, it was just something that we hadn't seen. We didn't say a word to him. I just wanted to see what everyone else thought. I wouldn't make up a rule just to make up a rule.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 03:40pm
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Rule 3-5 allows the referee leeway to ban any equipment that he thinks might be confusing to other players or not appropriate to the game of basketball. Iow, it's strictly up to the R's judgement whether to allow or disallow something like trick contacts that aren't specifically covered under the rules.

Having said that, it's also a good idea for the R to check his judgement out with his association or state body after the game.
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 05:27pm
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If the reason for your concern is that you think the lenses might prevent you from looking at his pupils, I think you're off base. You should never looking at someone's pupils in that way, period. That is strictly for a doctor or parent or principal to handle. Definitely not me!!!
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Old Tue Oct 25, 2005, 06:44pm
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If I believe a player is unconscious, he or she is unconscious, period. Now, if they get a doctor's note then they can play again. I'm going by a simple determination, is the player responsive, are his/her eyes open, etc. I'm not lifting eyelids no way no how. As Juulie said, that's for a doctor or administrator not me. If in my non-medical opinion a player is unconscious, that player is unconscious and I'm not letting them continue. Safety of the player is paramount and I'd rather be safe than sorry.
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