Correctable Error

[Gargil]

In a varsity boys game team A gets fouled and should be in the bonus. The officials do not realize this and the table is no help. Team A coach is trying to get the attention of the officials and table to let them know he should be in the bonus. He finally calls a time out and points out the fact that he should be in the bonus. The officials let him shoot the bonus. Does he get his time out back??

[BillyMac]

Time-out occurs and the clock, if running, shall be stopped when an official: Responds to the scorer’s signal to grant a coach’s request that a correctable error, as in 2-10, or a timing, scoring or alternating-possession mistake be prevented or rectified. The appeal to the official shall be presented at the scorer’s table where a coach of each team may be present.

Only one 60-second time-out is charged (or one 30-second timeout, if that is the only type of time-out remaining) in 5-8-4 regardless of the amount of time consumed when no correction is made. EXCEPTION: No time-out is charged: b. If, in 5-8-4, the error or mistake is prevented or rectified.

[mbyron]

According to 5-8-4, the coach need not request a time-out to fix a correctable error. He should report the error to the table, which should call the officials over to discuss the error.

If he does request a time-out and the error is rectified or prevented, it is not charged per 5-11-3 EXCEPTION.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by mbyron

According to 5-8-4, the coach need not request a time-out to fix a correctable error. He should report the error to the table, which should call the officials over to discuss the error.

That's not true. Please note that 5-8-4 is under the section for time-outs.

Those words are written in the context that the head coach goes to the scorer's table and requests a time-out to discuss a possible correctable error as is noted in 10-5-1c.

[Tio]

No timeout charged. If the coach's appeal regarding the correctable error was unfounded, the timeout would be charged.

I am assuming the timeout was the first deadball after the clock was properly started...

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by Tio

No timeout charged. If the coach's appeal regarding the correctable error was unfounded, the timeout would be charged.

I am assuming the timeout was the first deadball after the clock was properly started...

ok, here's one...i heard at a camp one time a speaker say that he pregames with the table to not blow the horn during a live ball...

what if the table knows of the coaches request to fix an error, and was told by the R to not blow the horn during a live ball, and several baskets are made, THEN a dead ball, "allowing" the table to blow the horn (again, according to this particular speaker). Is it then NOT correctable b/c it wasn't before the 2nd live ball?...with the only reason for it NOT being within the normal C.E. time constraints is b/c the ref told the table in pregame to wait til a dead ball?

[bob jenkins]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

ok, here's one...i heard at a camp one time a speaker say that he pregames with the table to not blow the horn during a live ball...

what if the table knows of the coaches request to fix an error, and was told by the R to not blow the horn during a live ball, and several baskets are made, THEN a dead ball, "allowing" the table to blow the horn (again, according to this particular speaker). Is it then NOT correctable b/c it wasn't before the 2nd live ball?...with the only reason for it NOT being within the normal C.E. time constraints is b/c the ref told the table in pregame to wait til a dead ball?

Huh? Why wouldn't the table blow the horn at the first dead ball (afte the first basket)? The error is still correctable at that point.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by vbzebra

ok, here's one...i heard at a camp one time a speaker say that he pregames with the table to not blow the horn during a live ball...

what if the table knows of the coaches request to fix an error, and was told by the R to not blow the horn during a live ball, and several baskets are made, THEN a dead ball, "allowing" the table to blow the horn (again, according to this particular speaker). Is it then NOT correctable b/c it wasn't before the 2nd live ball?...with the only reason for it NOT being within the normal C.E. time constraints is b/c the ref told the table in pregame to wait til a dead ball?

Each basket constitutes a dead ball, thus allowing for the table to blow the horn even under the R's instructions.

[Nevadaref]

As Bob and Snaqs note the ball becomes dead following each made goal and the scorer could sound the horn then, but it would be best if the scorer/timer ignored the request of the R and simply followed the rules.

[nevaeh.aaric]

I am thinking that if the error is Correctable, then there's no immediate issue -- I can treat this as a warning and be prepared to pull the stick/pair if an uncorrectable error starts occurring?

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by nevaeh.aaric

I am thinking that if the error is Correctable, then there's no immediate issue -- I can treat this as a warning and be prepared to pull the stick/pair if an uncorrectable error starts occurring?

Welcome to the board...but I have no idea what you're talking about with warning or "stick/pair"??????

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Welcome to the board...but I have no idea what you're talking about with warning or "stick/pair"??????

He made 5 other posts but added links advertising his web sites. Web sites that had nothing to do with officiating. Just another spammer pulling the same old tricks. Looks like a mod has already deleted those links, which means this spammer probably won't be back.

Your link is reasonable, helpful and related. His wasn't.